The Amazing Work of Dominatrix Inanna Justice

Ep 218: The Amazing Work of Dominatrix Inanna Justice. I welcome this episode's guest, Inanna Justice, to the podcast. Inanna Justice is an expatriate Dominatrix living in Paris. She has distinguished herself through her outreach to the local kink community, her writing about BDSM, expressing her love of the scene through
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Transcript

Show-S2E217-The Amazing Work of Dominatrix Inanna Justice
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Willow and you are listening to the oh [ __ ] yeah with ruin Willow podcast where
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the topics are sexuality sex sex and more sex and erotica so if you're under
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18 baby love it is time to leave the podcast now sweets cause it is not for you this is for adults only
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now today I have an absolutely amazing guest for you you're going to find this
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so fascinating I find her extraordinarily fascinating and she's an
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amazing entrepreneur you're gonna love this okay ready her name is Inanna Justice and she is a dominatrix she has
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written a book and it is about dominatracies
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around the world 21 powerful women from around the world the heart of the dominatrix is the book
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She Wrote she's so fascinating you guys gotta stick around and listen to this absolutely unbelievably amazing you're
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gonna love it you she's from Paris France and I'm just sitting here blubbering I mean I actually just
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finished the interview with her it was [ __ ] awesome I am going to just shut up and move on to the interview because
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this is [ __ ] amazing okay a quick word from my sponsor and we will move on
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it Rowena by Joseph Samaniego Rowena was
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bred for war her stepmother the queen taught her everything that she knew
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about the deadly Arts what she wanted was a weapon to ensure her own son's Place upon the throne and Rowena was
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that weapon for a time a war hero mercenary Captain mother loving sister
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and daughter in her heart Rowena bled for her family but was it ever enough
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her existence was an insult that would threaten the Kingdom's roots and future now after a bitter betrayal Rowena is
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hell-bent on claiming her Birthright either through diplomatic means or through war and she will wreck her
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Vengeance on all those that stand in her way Hell hath no fury like the bastard
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princess hello everyone I have an amazing treat for you this is going to be such an
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intriguing discussion I cannot wait to talk to this person this person is doing
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something that's totally amazing and she's written a book so I'm excited to
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introduce you to e Nana Justice and she is well you know what I'm gonna let her
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say what she is okay welcome hi everyone thanks so much for having me it's a
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pleasure to be here so who am I well my name is United Justice I am an American based in Paris
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for about the last seven years and my lifestyle and pro dominatrix here and
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I've been practicing for a very very long time and I've been Pro for about the last five years and I'm here to talk
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about a wonderful project that I just finished up in August which is the heart
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of the dominatrix it's a book that features 21 dominatracies from around
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the world each one specialized in a specific practice and I interviewed them
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over the course of about 18 months interviewed them and collected a bunch of amazing photographs and put together
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a really really wonderful coffee table book to show a little bit the diversity of femdom so that's what I'm here to
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talk about primarily but we can talk about all things femdom or all things kinky I'm really open to discussing
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whatever you want to talk about today and I'm really happy to be here that is so awesome and that book sounds amazing
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and the fact that it has you know color photos how how awesome is that that's
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really cool so these people just they have it's like they're professional photos and they gave them to you to use
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for this book so they're all in one book right absolutely so this project kind of came about on a whim which is often the
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case I'm I'm one of those people that always has about 7 000 projects going on at any given time
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it was right after our second lockdown in France and for for the listeners that
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aren't aware lockdowns in in France were really really hardcore we basically were not allowed to leave the house except to
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go grocery shopping so it was a one of the first times that I had seen some Dom girl friends and we were talking about
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projects that we want to do and both of them are really really wonderful writers one's a journalist and one writes one
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writes novels amongst other things and I said you know what would be cool to interview some Doms from around the
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world and they're they're both like oh go girl do it yes and I I think I
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deliberated for about 36 seconds before I decided before I decided that I was
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gonna that I was gonna see uh if people were interested in this so I reached out first to a few women that I know around
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the world uh women that either I know in real life or that I'd been in contact with on social media reached out to them
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to see if they might be interested in participating in this project and I had some overwhelmingly kind responses as
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far as I know there's no other work like this that exists it's it's really interviews in-depth interviews so being
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a lifestyle and pro Dom I've been interviewed a lot by some really wonderful Publications but I oftentimes
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it's I'm not being interviewed by other professional Doms and there's something about when you know the business when
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you're in the business when you do it as a lifestyle dominatrix when you do it as a as a profession as well that there are
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other questions that come into play other than how did you get your star what's your favorite practice and so I
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really wanted to dig deep on on some questions you know is being a dominatrix
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political is it intrinsically political to be a woman of power and to do it as a
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profession do you have lifestyle submissives or is it just a job for you
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you know so these kind of questions were really interesting for me and also being an expatriate I wanted to see how
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culture influenced our our styles of domination so that was one of the things
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that I asked about also do you feel like your culture plays a part in how you dominate it's just fascinating I think
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that is a fascinating collection that you have I mean that is just yeah I mean just the culture of it just different
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ways that they are and just the way they each of them practiced I mean that's just what a fascinating project I can
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see why you just like latched onto it right away and we're like oh yeah this is what I'm gonna do you know yeah
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absolutely and something that I really wanted to do also was show the diversity of female domination that we're not all
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wearing latex wielding whips we're not that we're not all that Amazon style
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Amazonian style dominatrix some of us are sweet nurturing some of us are Stern
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and strict there's wide gamut there's also a wide range of practices and each
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of the women in the book is known for a specific practice for example mistress Carol who's based in the United States
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is a hypnodome she does hypnosis so I find that absolutely fascinating that
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she leads her submissives into trans to to do gender exploration for example or
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to to and I just think that that's absolutely wonderful it's not it's not something that I do in my practice
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personally because I'm not I'm not Trey and she's a highly trained hypnotherapist and I I partake in a lot
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of hypnosis I'm a big fan of hypnosis as as as a receiver but as a giver I'm not
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trained enough and the things that she is able to lead her submissives into through trans is just phenomenal Miss
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Fox is a financial dominatrix she does Finn Dom and also racial humiliation
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which are two things that I don't practice and it's just fascinating for me what gets her off in those practices
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like what makes her tick Lady V who's based in the U.S she's a
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Satanist and an ordained minister and she she practices religious role play which is
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again not something that I do but fascinating what she does fascinating so it was really interesting to me to
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explore different Kinks and I like to think that I'm very open-minded there's
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all sorts of Kinks from the the most mild to the most most extreme in the
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book I tried not to let my personal likes or dislikes play a part I want it
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I wanted to I wanted to really expose the differences in what we do the
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diversity of what we do again that we're we're not all holding a whip and screaming at our subs some of
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us do yes and some of us love that right and some of us hate it right but
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that's like the go-to that's what everybody assumes they're like oh yeah that's what it is like they just don't even know about all this other stuff so
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yeah it's the go-to it's default I guess is the word I'm looking for absolutely it's what uh it's what the media kind of
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shows us in general it's what sells also visually it's it's very exciting it's
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definitely linked to a lot of people's fantasies and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it I love it too some days
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you will see me dressed in a full leather katsu with them I'm kind of a
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whip fetishist so books are definitely my thing but some days you'll see me playing the role of a nurturing day
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sitter for example when I do abdl sessions adult baby diaper lover sessions I'm much more in the nurturing
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caregiving type role sure and and a lot of these women go between lots of different roles of
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course depending on the submissives that we have that we're playing with that day right and so you know do you feel like
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what most dominatrix do is like they figure out what their specialty is and it's usually something that turns them
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on right or do you feel like some people just choose something or do you feel like you really can't get into it if it
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doesn't turn you on I think that it's hard for this to be sustainable if it doesn't turn you on yeah I think that if
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you're not getting emotional stimulation and when I say turn you on for me I'm not talking about our sex organs I'm
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talking about turned on in the in the brain because that's sure that's the kind of stuff that that's really
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interesting particularly in BDSM where where PIV penis and vagina type sex is
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is rare or sometimes completely non-existent in our relationships I think that women in general that are in
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the book they really found their Niche they found something that really turns them on they totally get off on I'm
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thinking who's a French Dom that's based in Hong Kong she's really into amputation fetish
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right of course she doesn't really amputate but all right right but the fantasy aspect amputating hers
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submissives you know where she does where she does role play in a very medical cold medical environment she
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talks about her her fascination with stainless steel and cold objects you know so that's something that and that's
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something that uh has been part of her life for a very long time she's very interested in art also and visual you
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know visual art and so it's something that's visually really appealing to her so I think that the women in the book
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are they really did find something particularly particular that turns them
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on more than other things and that's not to say that the women that are in the book only do that for example Miss Carol
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she has a wide range of practices but what she's really known for is hypnosis
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who is a good girlfriend and a wonderful Dom here in France she's really known
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for kind of two a opposing ends of this spectrum MedVet maybe DL medical
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fetishism and again adult baby diaper lover and then on the other side the the leather type mistress so kind of the
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more traditional what we see is more traditional type BDSM so a lot of them have a wide range of practices but
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they've found a couple of things one or two things that really make them tick
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and I think getting back to your question a little bit I think that it's very hard for this to be sustainable
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either as a lifestyle or as a professional bomb if you're not in love with what you do
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it's easy it's easy to do it for a short period of time you know it's fun spank a
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couple booties take a couple dudes and be on your way but I think I think that once you start getting into
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the psychology of it once you start building deeper relationships once you are looking for more profound meanings
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in your DS exchanges dominance exchanges then if you're not in love with this
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world it's really hard for it to be sustainable I think particularly as a professional because we have to balance
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these very very intimate spaces and also set boundaries you know so we're sharing
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really really intimate moments with lots of different people from lots of different walks of life yeah and also
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being able to say okay the session's over we're going to take 15 minutes and debrief and then you know how do I close
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the door on that very emotional and intense experience and not take it home
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with me because you're not a robot you're gonna feel things too right I mean exactly
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yeah of course and so I think for to thrive in this business and and again
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even as a lifestyle Dom a non-professional Dom I think in order to really Thrive to have lasting meaningful
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wonderful relationships you have to let it you have to just be passionate about it yeah yeah I always say the BDSM
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Community is filled with a bunch of Geeks because we're so passionate about like our toys and our gadgets and our
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Dungeons and like what did you do last weekend like right I know
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totally we're total Geeks like I think a lot of us uh kind of either did play
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Dungeons and Dragons or should have played Dungeons and Dragons I see like the nerdy kids in the basement even
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those of us that weren't nerdy necessarily you know just that right like and a need for Community also right
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I was talking to somebody once about how they think that horror and erotica are just like so tied together and what you
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just said made me think of that sentence so I'm like when he when he said that statement I'm like you're right it is absolutely
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it's the thrill factor it's the thrill factor it's the same the same thrill that we get being scared as we do in an
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intense BDSM scene or during steamy hot and steamy sexual encounter you know
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it's the same endorphins and adrenaline that are released you know so chemically it's all the same right to our body
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exactly the body reads it the same way and releases the same chemicals it's so true that's just our brain that makes it
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different right exactly and I'm not a big fan of horror movies but I I love that rush you know like oh is someone
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creeping up behind me like or jumping out of an airplane or rock climbing or
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whatever you know for me I just got back for a week of horseback riding you know Gala being a horse Galloping a 1500
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pound animal down the beach at 40 miles an hour man what a rush oh my gosh it's
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the same Rush totally yeah it's the same Rush that I give and get when I'm hanging someone by their ankles in my
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dungeon you know like oh this is potentially really really really really really really really dangerous yes it's
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measured risk of course it's measured risk yeah and I know that the horse is safe and and my partners my Subs know
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that I'm safe and I'm doing everything to protect them right the same way that I was wearing a helmet when I was
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writing these beautiful horses down the beach with protective measures in place in the dungeon as well
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but it is it's the same chemicals that play part in what we enjoy in sexuality
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and sensuality and BDSM and and Japanese
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so I do want to ask how you got into this but I'm also very curious about your dungeon will you talk about both of
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these things oh yeah I said dungeon twice I'm like what's that mean so I
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have a lovely little dungeon and it's not a traditional dungeon so a lot of times we think of like that dark and
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gloomy cave mine's uh much more contemporary it's it's an apartment it's it's a beautiful
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apartment beautiful Parisian apartment that I have decorated to host BDSM
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sessions so I have some of the classic I have some of the classic BDSM equipment that you always see the Saint Andrews
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cross for example I have a big cage that I can put a couple of Subs in I have a
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bondage table I have a spanking bench and then the other room of my Dungeon Because I Really Over the best a year
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and a half two years have really gotten a good taste for medical fetishism and the other part is kind of a little mini
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clinic little medical room where I do exams I'm really into psychological domination I
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love the idea of like hurting someone to make them better that caretaking idea like oh I'm gonna I'm gonna poke you
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with needles but it's for your own good right right and yeah so so two two
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separate spaces my medical medical and domestic so it's two rooms it's a
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two-room apartment one more traditional kind of dimly lit
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traditional dungeon space and then the other spaces for domestic training so
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for example I have I have service submissives that come and they want to learn how to open a bottle of wine they
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want to learn how to serve the tea properly they want to learn how to pack a suitcase properly so that space is
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kind of dedicated for more domestic style service and medical fetishism yeah
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and how did I get into this well Kink's always been kind of part of my sexuality I didn't know it I didn't I don't know
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how I missed I don't know how I missed it for so long but I didn't know the term BDSM until 50 Shades of Gray it was
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50 Shades of Gray that familiarized me with the vocabulary yeah when I read that book I read it in one
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afternoon and I'm not going to make any comments about the book all I can say is that I'm happy that it opened when opened doors for me it's back in 2011
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when it came out I read it one hot summer day on on my couch and I immediately went on my laptop
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I had I said BDSM research and I came on I Came Upon FetLife which yeah yes for
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the listeners that don't know that life is kind of the Facebook for kinky people yeah so I found FetLife and I started
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findings play Partners I started attending events at this point I was still living in the U.S
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and started exploring and my world just kind of exploded I love that involved as
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much as possible in the scene there wasn't as much going on at that time in
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Portland as I would have liked okay yeah so fast forward 10 years later I
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finished my studies I decided to come to France partially in order to explore
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sexuality a little bit more deeply I always say I came to France for food wine and sex yes
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everywhere there's swingers clubs everywhere I won't even talk about the food and the wine but there's swingers clubs everywhere you can go to a section
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there's sex shops everywhere and every time that I traveled here I just felt really I felt that it was much more open
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than than Portland Oregon and Portland oh yeah Portland is a really really liberal Progressive town but there's
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only one sex club and there's only one BDSM night a month and so every time I
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came here I was like wow there's so much going on with sexuality and so I can came here almost seven years ago and
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kind of jumped in head first to the BDSM scene I met some really wonderful people
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really early and started yeah started exploring more and more
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but you have the unique perspective of seeing how prudish it is in America versus how it is there I mean what are
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your thoughts on that I mean that just blows my brain how different it is and it's got to be just jarring to you to
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see such Stark difference yeah absolutely well I think that the US in general is kind of in the extreme you
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know it's kind of a country of extremes you either have cities like New York Las
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Vegas these kind of other worldly places you know New York there's nothing like New York there's New York isn't even the
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U.S it's New York Las Vegas it's it's Vegas you know this is true
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and despite what what from the outside looks like a very very Progressive
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country often it's not the case in the US it's a very very Puritan country yes
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and so we see those extremes of like the craziest porn comes from the US and
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maybe Germany maybe Germany and Japan but sure you know there's a lot of crazy crazy porn that comes from the US but
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it's a really really really teeny tiny percentage right and for the everyday
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BDSM player or the everyday swinger it's not some accessible unless you're living
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in a really big city and even then maybe it's not so accessible right yep and I
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feel like even though we have a long way to go in France I feel like in general we speak a lot more openly about
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sexuality I know it's the case with my with my friends my partners that it's
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much easier to discuss sexuality in general right and and that shows because
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I don't know how many sex clubs there are in Paris 30 maybe there's two times wow there's
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two BDSM clubs there's two clubs that are just for BDSM plus tons and tons of events all the time wow totally
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different than here yeah totally different totally different you've kind of kept it to mystery
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exactly where you're located and I won't ask exactly where you're located well I am I am in some people do know I'm
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actually in the midwest so I am in the heart of the prudish area of the country
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right I mean seriously I mean that's you know and things seem to trickle into us you know like they start on the coast
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and then they kind of slowly things and then at just about any kind of topic any kind of thing it just like slowly
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trickles in towards us so we're like behind I would say than the coast for sure you know yeah absolutely I always
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say that there's two United States there's the East Coast and West Coast and then there's this big part in the middle right yeah that's big lump yeah
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that's like giant space in the Middle where yeah I won't say too much about it I can
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totally see why you guys are a little bit behind in a lot of aspects particularly uh regarding sexuality I
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mean I feel like it's opening up and there's a you know there are swinger clubs and groups and things are growing
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and changing people are coming more open but overall yeah it's yeah it's totally
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you know Puritan based and they're still stuck in that and they're just trying to force that down people's throats yet all
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these people are doing things still doing these things it's just not seen so it's it's there yeah yeah and of course
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it's there sexuality has existed forever oh my God even though I try to hush Tasha and pretend like it doesn't you
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know I mean quote unquote deviant sexuality has existed yes as well I
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don't I don't really like that word because I don't think there's anything quality that's really deviant but you know non-vanilla non-hiv
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traditional male female sexuality has existed forever
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unfortunately in the U.S amongst other places of course we don't want to talk about it in a lot of places
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unless of course you're living in Vegas you're living in New York you're living in Chicago otherwise they all think it's like sort
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of taboo to even talk about sex you know like not even talking about sex is Taboo in many places like no no you can't even
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talk about sex you can't even educate about sex you know right yeah absolutely and what a shame what a shame it is it's
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totally a shame and it's totally unrealistic you know well humans only exist we're sexual beings yeah we need
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sex to survive why not have fun while we're doing it we're one of the few species on Earth that does it just for pleasure like let's take advantage of
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that absolutely so do you have clients that continually come back to you over and
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over again or do you tend to get more new people what what happens with your practice no out gosh 95 of my clients
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are returned are regular customers yeah I accept let's see maybe between 1 and three new
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people per month okay very very small percentage of people are new each month and a good
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majority of the people that I've been seeing are are regulars and then when I say regulars that can be once every six
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months that could be once every six weeks but okay that I've seen most of my
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most of my clients more than once and and my preference is definitely to to see people regularly because it's with
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time and with multiple experiences that both of us can open up to each other right I can learn more about them and
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their Kinks and what turns them on and what turns them off and and adapt the sessions based on that now I'm obviously
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not this but to me what it seems like is almost like you're doing like forms of therapy for people do you feel that way or am I totally way honest so not at all
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you're not at all off base one of my buddies a vanilla friend came over for dinner a couple weeks ago and he goes
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God your job is like one-third a psychologist one-third babysitter and one-third nurse
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because I have to be paying attention to vital signs I have to be paying attention to what's going on with
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people's bodies also and I think that's really accurate I think I think it's even
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this psychological aspect is most important yes even if I hurt someone
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physically scrapes and bruises are easy to heal assuming I don't hurt someone really
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badly and playing with people's psyches is
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very it's a very sensitive subject but that's also where the good stuff happens right you know absolutely and that's why
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I prefer having relationships that last a certain amount of time and like I said
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it doesn't necessarily mean that the that the person is coming to see me every week right could mean just once a
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year but that we built a certain Rapport that we have a certain relationship
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that's where things start to get interesting it's really with time just
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like all relationships yeah first three dates are always really exciting and fun and like we're expecting each other but
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for me it's a like after the fourth fifth fifth sixth session that I have with someone that I really start getting
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into it for me in general so sometimes sometimes the magic feeling happens the first time sometimes it doesn't happen
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until much later also but in general I find that it three first sessions are kind of like
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okay I'm pushing this person a little bit but I'm still playing quite safe it's from about three or four sessions
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that I start taking things really a bit further pushing the person in ways that
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I see fitting for the situation you know if someone wants to experience deep humiliation I'm gonna play a little bit
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on the safe side because I don't know his boundaries maybe he wasn't clearly wasn't able to clearly explain them to
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me and he doesn't know either so the first half that I play with him like I'm gonna avoid certain words I'm gonna
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avoid any let's say body body shaming it's not real body shaming because it's in the
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context of a consensual relationship of a consensual exchange but for example
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I'm not going to do any body shaming because it's it's could be a very very
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sensitive subject and after two or three or four times
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when they see that what I do even when I'm a total [ __ ] even when I'm mean and
28:46
nasty and I'm hitting them and I'm spitting on them and I'm calling them names they know that I'm doing it with love and because I want to bring them to
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a place a kind of an enlightened enlightened space you know that they can trust me enough to be a [ __ ] yeah
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that's when things get interesting or to hold them in my arms if that's what's necessary or to do both you know call
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them nasty names and then hold them in my arms uh you know so for me it's much
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more interesting when we have an ongoing relationship which I think I think is the case for
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like I said any relationship you know the we have the butterflies for the
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first couple times and there's that excitement like getting to know you and mm-hmm and then we start
29:29
getting into the real stuff then we start asking the hard questions then we start moving into practices or a psychological
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aspect that's going to push the person a little bit farther and that's going to challenge me also because let's not
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forget that the most important part of a BDSM session with a with a female dominatrix is that I'm having fun right
29:50
to take it I think that people have a difficult time understanding that like
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but you have so many different practices and so many people have these kind of taboos or those kind of taboos I said
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well that's not a problem for me what right what's interesting for me is taking what they want to explore and
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turning it in a way that makes it fun for me not doing something someone's limits is is never limiting for me
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because not doing something is easy for example let's say someone doesn't want to do anal well okay anal's limits well
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that's really easy I just don't do it like not a big deal you know what's more
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interesting to me is like okay how can I push the other step how can I push he wants to explore pet play he wants to
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explore his is acting like a puppy or a kitten or a snake or whatever how could
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I push him farther in in that aspect or how can I push him farther in bondage or
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whatever you know I say frequently practices aren't interesting it's a psychology that the connection and the
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psychology that's interesting practices are not interesting when yeah that makes total sense because I say someone's
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never tried a particular cake and they've always been turned on by in fantasy but doing it in real life is different so you got to kind of be
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delicate and walk walk lightly what do they say that walk yeah tread lightly yeah yeah yeah absolutely so I don't
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know how How Deeply you researched my website but I write quite a bit I read a
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lot of Articles and one of the articles that I wrote was fantasies versus reality you know oftentimes I have
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people that come to me and they're like oh I want to be whipped until I bleed and I want to be tied up by my by the my
31:27
fingernails and you know I want this and this and this and I want a really heavy interrogation scene with a heavy beating
31:34
this is your first BDSM scene yes I understand that that's what turns
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you on visually trust me trust me baby you are not ready for that because
31:47
you've been watching because you've been watching porn for 15 years or five years or five months it doesn't matter and you
31:53
started with let's say foot fetishism and it progressed and it progressed and it progressed it has to go the same way
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in real life also you know there has to be a progression I do not do a first
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session where I do a Judicial caning on someone like whatever right like that's
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just heard of unheard of it would be so irresponsible for me regardless of how
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much a person begs me no okay maybe like I said you know there's this like three
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first sessions okay maybe after the fourth session if I trust you enough to communicate with me your limits because right now I realize
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that you don't know your limits you're unaware of that it's my job as a professional to guide you that's my
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responsibility makes perfect sense and to avoid trauma I mean if you go too far and then you gotta deal with the drama
32:40
absolutely and my goal is that people come out of these experiences feeling
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better even if I call them a whatever name even if I completely humiliated and
32:53
stepped on their face and you know crushed their nuts right so the goal is
32:59
that they come out on the other side feeling rewarded and full and better yes
33:06
I think for people that aren't in the scene that can be really hard to understand
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that right through these things that seem very violent from the exterior
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actually there's no violence in what we do one of the quotes from the book that I really really
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appreciated from mistress baton who's a caning specialist from South Africa and
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and one of the when I read this and I'm paraphrasing I don't have the quote right in front of me she said
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what I do is not violent what I do is calm what is it calm sober consensual
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violence is not consensual what I do right Violet there's no violence in what I do
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this is an agreement that we have yes this is the agreement within a certain
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time frame that we've made that you've asked people don't get that right
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absolutely there's a Miss there's so many misconceptions out there so it's really good that you're seeing that
34:05
because it's true there is that I just I don't want to repeat what you said it's just not very true yeah repeat it share
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it with your friends share with your listeners I think that that's a really really important sentiment to share that
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it is there okay I'm not I'm not gonna lie there is violence in BDSM but not in
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my practice and not in not in my practice there are violent people in
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this community unfortunately everywhere there's but no more in this
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community and I would even say less so in this community community because we don't put up with [ __ ] when we see
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right we do not put up with it yep uh and of course violence exists everywhere
34:45
but in general what we're doing is coming from a very very loving space I
34:51
have deep feelings for for my sense even the ones that I only see once a year right say frequently I fall in love for
34:59
the two two hours or three hours or four hours that they're with me you know sure sure but I have deep wonderful
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relationships with them I they're people that I respect and admire otherwise I wouldn't spend my time with them I don't
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care how much you pay me I'm not going to spend my time with someone that I don't respect and admire oh absolutely
35:16
and then I've heard many people talk about you know the whole Dom stuff thing and sort of you know people who want to be dominated and stuff they are
35:23
sometimes people that just need to not be in charge for a while and they need
35:28
someone else to be doing that and it's very therapeutic for them it's not like they they're not being like a glutton
35:36
for punishment you know I mean it's not like you said it's not like they're coming there they may like that particular play if it's something that's
35:42
physical that can affect them but it doesn't mean that they want to be abused
35:47
in other words it's essential abuse there's no abuse in right
35:52
in a in a consensual DS relationship there's no abuse right there's ongoing
35:57
communication and that's something that's really wonderful about Kink is it forces us to communicate oh yeah forces
36:05
difficult conversations uh it's hard to talk about desire and lust and even in a
36:12
even in a vanilla relationship maybe especially in a vanilla relationship probably especially yeah because no one
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is I don't care who they are nobody's 100 vanilla yeah we're not we're not
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used to it in vanilla relationships no in the king Community we're forced to
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have those questions because I'm literally holding your life in my hands yeah I'm playing with knives I'm playing
36:37
with whips if I cut open you know if I don't know how to use my whip for example I could take out your eye I
36:43
could take out a testicle I could you know I could really hurt someone I'm playing with knives knife play is one of
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my one of my favorite practices I couldn't I could seriously hurt someone if I don't know what I'm doing without
36:54
paying attention and let's not even talk about psychological damage potential psychological damage yes but and I knock
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on wood I I feel that most people in the BDSM Community do
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what we do with love with intent uh with
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huge amount of joy and consideration for the other person to to bring them to places using fear
37:21
and humiliation and embarrassment and degradation and bondage and and whips
37:28
and chains and all the other stuff using those as tools right to bring someone out better on the
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other side I think it's great too that you know you do there's there's like like you were saying there's like no
37:40
shame you know shame can be used as a kink or as a role play but for someone what they want you don't shame them for
37:46
what they want or not even what they want but they need to get off absolutely absolutely I love playing with shame in
37:54
session but never outside of session right I've had I've had some crazy
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requests I've had some crazy requests like the crazier the better I'm just
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like oh that's so wild and weird and I love it right oh I love that can you
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share any of those with us or are they like confidential I I try not to talk specifically about things but yesterday
38:16
I posted a little thing on Instagram which reminded me of something which is a it's called a lunar fetish it's a
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fetish of balloons and in this particular case of inflatable animals oh
38:29
wow okay right and one client contacted actually contacted my best friend who's
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also a pro Dom and I've always said I'm a fetishist of fetishes like I love fetishes yeah people people that have a
38:42
fetish like that's my fetish people that have a fetish yeah I love it
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yeah he contacted her because he wanted us to torture his animals okay and he
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wanted to save the animals from us but he also wanted to see them tortured and I was just like oh my God this is so
39:03
cool like what a crazy it's not that uncommon of a kink so I'm
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not divulging any like major Secrets but this fantasy of wanting to see
39:14
inflatable animals so there's this whole lunar fetish it it's either balloons it's closely linked to like latex or
39:22
vinyl fetish sure sure it can be the popping of the object it can be the reflection of the
39:29
material so there's a lot of different aspects but this one was particular for me in that uh there was this aspect of
39:36
him wanting to be the hero of the story in protecting the inflatable animals
39:41
while they tortured them so we're like stepping on them with our high heels we're biting them we're using all the
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traditional BDSM instruments on them you know whips a [ __ ] machine on the
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inflatable yeah on the inflatable Pegasus like we totally [ __ ] his mouth with it yeah yeah
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wow one of the most memorable sessions that I've ever done and no what a you
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know yes yeah and watching this person's eyes light up watching how they reacted
40:13
in this scene was just beautiful just I mean it gives me goosebumps from talking
40:19
about it it gives me goosebumps like this person just totally was getting off on this idea that wow he was kind of
40:25
Prince saving his animals even though he really wanted to see them torture like the bad
40:31
Prince you know right right absolutely fascinating I mean I would
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have never even like I never even would have dreamed that up and you know like it's like wow
40:44
so yeah Shame Shame happens within the within the walls of the Justice room the Justice room is the name of my dungeon
40:50
shame yeah only within the walls of the the Justice room and only controlled right
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only when it's controlled and then yeah so I was looking at your stuff but some of it's in French so I couldn't read it
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so you know there's a there's a button on my on my it is in English also yeah
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it's a bilingual but seeing as I live in France and I speak French yeah and yeah
41:14
a lot I'm fetishized for my America for my americanness and oh I bet you are yeah I can imagine yeah
41:21
not a bad thing at all you know what I mean it makes you unique yeah absolutely absolutely so do you have more men
41:28
coming to you do you have women even coming to you or is it more predominantly one it's primarily
41:34
cisgendered men I have I have a few uh CIS Femmes I have a couple of trans
41:41
thems also they come see me okay sure but it's It's
41:47
1999 CIS standard males okay very interesting that's very interesting to
41:53
me which I would love to see that shift the the young women that come and see me
41:58
both [ __ ] on trans all are quite young all under 30. so I think there's a little bit of shift in women believing
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that they can pay for pleasure which I think sure absolutely super important
42:12
historically we haven't been able to already and it just hasn't been kind of
42:17
accessible I think that's right that's shifting a bit in general women don't pay for sexual pleasure right we don't
42:24
we don't need to right that's true if you want to pay for good sexual pleasure
42:30
that's a different story sexual pleasure is available good sexual pleasure is not
42:36
always available and I think that anyone that has spent five minutes on Tinder can understand that any woman that spent
42:41
five minutes on Tinder could understand that you know right absolutely or something specific like you said
42:46
something very specific right exactly exactly and a couple of women that have
42:51
come to see me came because specifically because I am a professional and because they wanted to have something that was
42:57
really set within a framework it was very well defined yeah yeah it's like okay I'm
43:04
here I want to explore this and this and this I know that you're experienced at doing this I know that you're going to
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offer me the space to explore and and I'll be safe because that's
43:16
something of course that unfortunately is women we deal with a lot is safety you know it's a question oh absolutely
43:22
repeatedly yes a safety issue I could see as a woman for sure like you know
43:27
yeah and that's the other question I was going to ask you like in the United States I don't know that you could have a business like this can you freely have
43:33
a business like this in France and you're not like you know told no or shame or so in France we have the Nordic
43:40
model which means that what I do is legal Okay I uh yeah what I sex work is
43:46
legal okay and okay even though even though I don't know penetration on my body for example there's no traditional
43:52
sex what I do is very very sexual and very very sensual so I am considered a sex
43:58
worker what I do is legal but my clients are
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it's illegal for them to contact me oh the north model is the Nordic model here
44:10
so my clients unfortunately could be persecuted for contacting a sex worker
44:16
which is really crazy that is totally crazy that's like illogical yeah and
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that's only been the case in France since 2016. since 2016 we've had a lot
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more problems particularly with full service sex workers and even more particularly with Street sex workers
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okay yeah it's it's a huge problem it's something that I fight against uh I bet
44:39
it's repealing that yeah because trans France traditionally has been one of the
44:44
more liberal countries yeah thankfully in Belgium which is our little little
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sister next door they went full decrim this year which is a huge huge huge step
44:57
so not least what does that mean I don't know what that means okay there's there's a few different things
45:04
okay so there's the Nordic model which is what we have in France what I do is legal but what the other person does is
45:10
not legal there's like the US where in Most states it's completely illegal for everybody
45:15
there is legalization like in Germany and I believe Switzerland or the text
45:22
worker has to register with the state to as a sex worker okay so there's
45:28
certain documentation that goes along with that I'm not sure about all the specifics in each country is a little
45:34
bit different and there's there's decriminalization means there's no regulations on what we do I don't have
45:41
to register with the state as a sex worker I'm free to practice my activity just
45:47
like a plumber is yeah yeah right okay okay so or for example in France to be a sexologist
45:55
no sex what what is it sexologer sexologist one of them requires a degree
46:00
one of them doesn't require energy so I could practice Yeah sexologist I don't
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need a degree so I could be a dominatrix sexologist without getting a degree if I
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wanted to be a dominatrix with a masters I'd be like a dominant that would be a different story that means a certain
46:18
amount of studies okay but decree means that there's no there's no laws that we
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have to fall into to practice our activity wow which is ideal for sex workers yeah we want decriminalization
46:32
absolutely yeah wow that's fascinating I didn't know any of that that's just very
46:38
intriguing it's so interesting I was so different all over the world and where you know some places you can do this
46:44
someplace like yeah extreme in the United States which it still happens here it's just not advertised or known
46:51
it's under the table it is advertised and it is known but it's a lot more dangerous because we
46:56
can't require listening for example since 2016 we can't screen our clients as heavily as as we could before I am I
47:04
am fully aware of the fact that I am a highly privileged sex worker I'm a highly educated middle class white woman
47:11
cisgendered I have a lot of things going for me right I I have it this was a
47:17
later in life choice to become dominatrix I had a successful career in
47:22
a completely different field previously it was really a choice which is not the case for everybody it's true yeah that's
47:30
the reality but it is the case for a lot of us I have a lot of friends a lot of
47:37
friends and granted I hang out with a lot of people that are in the industry or that are kinky so I have a high high
47:44
rate of exposure but I don't there are very very few people within my circle
47:52
that are survival sex workers meaning survival sex work means you have to do it you have to yeah yeah you have to do
47:58
it to feed yourself you have to do it to keep a roof over your head you have to do it to feed your kids you have to pay
48:03
put gas in the car you know just as you could imagine yeah total different scenario I mean yeah absolutely I have a
48:10
choice tomorrow I could quit being a Dom and go back to my former career or potentially start a different career
48:16
because I'm very very privileged I recognize that yeah yeah and I try to use that privilege to educate other
48:22
people right I organize events for prodoms specifically aimed towards protons that
48:30
are just starting out I organize a monthly Dom dinner so for oh nice yeah
48:36
kind of a prodon Munch where we get we sit around and we talk and spend an
48:41
evening here together yeah a lot of a lot of different things my little way of giving back to the
48:48
community in the way that I can that's really awesome that you do that I mean just what a great movement you're
48:53
creating with doing that that's that's fast that's awesome good for you I've
48:59
been one of those people and I think that the book you know getting back to starting subject of this whole conversation the book is kind of a
49:07
manifestation of my desire for Community I wanted to find more Community together and this book was a way for me to create
49:14
a worldwide Community even with people that I hadn't met you know I didn't know these women or didn't know them very
49:21
well prior to embarking on this project and this project allowed us to create a
49:26
community with 22 of us there's 21 women featured in the book plus niso 22 of us
49:34
have have created our little micro community surrounding our passion femdom that's
49:40
that is really cool I mean if you think about that now you guys know each other you're together lumped in this book and
49:47
it's going to be educating people I mean that's huge absolutely that's pretty [ __ ] awesome and yeah
49:55
and I I want to share these stories with people whether you're a
50:02
Midwestern housewife and you're interested in this world I
50:07
think that there's stories in this book that that would speak to you that would help you in your relationships whether
50:13
you're a pro Dom with 25 years of experience whether you're a submissive and you're
50:19
curious as to what makes us tick I think that this book has a lot to offer a lot of different people vanilla not vanilla
50:26
double chocolate spicy spicy spicy you know yeah yeah exactly
50:33
I think that there's a little something for everyone I think that there's a lot of life lessons I know that it was the
50:39
case for me when I when I was editing what I was editing this book uh I like
50:45
to think I'm pretty experienced I like to think that I know a little bit about what I want and what I need and My
50:51
Philosophy but this book made me question a lot of my beliefs and interesting really important I do too I
50:58
think that we need to force ourselves force ourselves into question yes
51:04
question your philosophies I'm not just talking about with sexuality I'm talking about with everything
51:09
you know question your beliefs on the environment question your beliefs on
51:16
whether you you want a cheeseburger tonight I don't you know I'm pulling things I'm not particularly passionate
51:21
about I'm really passionate about sexuality so yeah you know they question your beliefs on why you're doing the
51:28
things you're doing and why you're not doing the things that you want to be doing right that's a big question you
51:34
want to be doing exactly and why are we why why do some
51:40
people judge other people like why why do you feel like you have to judge if someone wants to do a particular thing
51:45
if it's consensual why the [ __ ] do you care you know that's what I don't get well I have a whole philosophy on that
51:50
but that would be another couple a couple hours right I know right there's so much we could talk about yeah
51:58
absolutely so in your book is on Amazon correct because it's on yeah sellers are
52:04
strictly Amazon strictly Amazon unfortunately because of the size and magnitude of this wonderful book and
52:11
except for people that live in France if you live in France you can contact me and I can get you a copy I have I have
52:17
copies myself but Amazon is really the best way otherwise the shipping costs are just exorbitant it cost me 40 40 it
52:25
cost me 40 Euro to send the book to the states it cost me 27 Euro I think to to
52:30
ship to the UK in Europe it's a little bit less but it's already the book is not cheap and
52:36
the book is not cheap and I'm going to explain this to the readers as a writer we don't make any money the
52:43
printing cost is this is a gorgeous this is a coffee table book this is an absolutely gorgeous piece of work trust
52:51
me we're not making any money on it when I say we the women in the book get 10 of
52:56
the 10 of the profits are divided oh women in the book it's one of the way
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yeah one of the ways I wanted to promote Community I already knew that I wasn't
53:07
going to be making a bunch of money on it anyways yeah I I'm really happy because I think that this month I'm
53:13
finally going to pay myself back for the graphic art design that was done so I
53:19
think finally getting to the point where we're going to see a little bit of profit but we don't make a lot of money
53:24
as writers right as editors Amazon takes a huge cut and already the printing
53:30
costs are very very very high so I decided to go to the Amazon route because it's logistically it's the
53:36
easiest yeah I don't have the time to send books all over the world and certainly not book weighs almost two
53:44
kilos I think it was like the Amazon version weighs one kilo six so that's like five pounds okay it's a 318 pages
53:53
of high definition photos gorgeous inner reviews beautiful graphic design the
54:00
graphic design was done by a woman the cover photography was done by a woman the cover art was done by a woman nice
54:06
very nice it's really important for me to keep it yeah really important for me to keep I'm a staunch feminist
54:12
and to circulate the money within you know circulate the money as much as
54:17
possible back to women was really important to me yeah oh I love that there's some really fabulous friend the
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male artists that initially I thought of to do the cover art and it was one of
54:30
the women in the book that said don't you want a woman to do it and I just went oh god of course yeah yeah
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exactly that's awesome yeah so ten percent of the profits do go back to the
54:43
women in the book if you order it now you can get it in time for the holidays probably if not
54:50
it's a great gift for your mistress for your Mister for your master for your sub
54:57
yes the ebook version is available directly on the website heart of the
55:02
dominatrix.com okay that's a place to get the ebook it's much less expensive the Amazon Amazon takes huge huge huge
55:10
commissions um yeah it's just if you want the the cheapest version
55:16
It's the exact same version that you'll find on Amazon the cheapest version of the ebook part of thedominatrix.com
55:21
you'll also see all the interviews that I've been doing including this one as soon as it goes live I'll put it up on
55:27
the website and my personal website is inannajustice.com
55:32
i-n-a-n-n-a-justice.com I always like to say if there are
55:39
traveling Doms that are listening to this and traveling through Paris I Do organize a lot of events for for
55:45
dominatracies so please reach out it's always a pleasure to meet new women or
55:50
even non-doms traveling women come check me out in Paris come say hi feel free to
55:55
reach out you can find me on Twitter on Instagram although I'm a little bit less active than on Twitter you can find me
56:02
on FetLife you can even find me on Facebook and they find you with your name correct and on those platforms yeah
56:09
exactly and I'm in on a Justice no underscores no dots no anything like that it's i n a n n a
56:16
j-u-s-t-i-c-e on all of those sites awesome that is awesome and this has
56:22
been so amazing I would love to have you back on again someday if you're ever into it it would be a it would be a great pleasure I just released an e-book
56:28
so maybe next time yeah it just recently released an ebook with a collection of articles that I've written over the past
56:34
few years so maybe uh we can plan another one and I'll talk a little bit more about the ebook we can find a bunch
56:40
more subjects or we can talk about my board game or we can talk about uh yeah I have typed like
56:49
7 000 projects I'm I'm a project net I love it I love it I love that that's so
56:55
awesome and I would totally love to have you on multiple times so it says this was really fun and interesting good
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thanks so much everyone for your time thanks for inviting me it was a great pleasure to be here
57:06
well thank you so much and for everyone listening all of her links are going to be down in a podcast note so you can
57:12
just click right on through and don't be stupid like me and think it's in French and you can't read it because there's a
57:17
button and you could change the Finish buttons everything's in English I'm a native English speaker so I actually
57:22
write everything in English and then translate it to French so right because
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I'm in France everything's default language first but yeah it's the little flag in the top right corner of your
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screen you'll find it awesome well thank you so much thank you all your amazing Stories and I look forward to having you
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on again in the future my pleasure thanks so much ruin have a good day bye-bye bye
57:48
I want to thank you for listening to this podcast episode what an amazing episode this was isn't she just [ __ ]
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amazing I'm just totally amazed I am just wowed
58:00
by her whole Persona her view on things what she does she helps people she helps
58:07
people in ways that no one else can absolutely amazing I think it's just [ __ ] awesome so get her book The
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Heart of the dominatrix 21 powerful women from around the world get their
58:22
images get their discussions get their interview questions absolutely fascinating and amazing so I
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also will put my links down on the podcast notes to where you can find me again my new books out right now I just
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found an audio book the oral King should be coming out real quick and
58:42
skinny dipping at the pond on a hot summer day in my the car sex challenge third book in the sex Challenge Series
58:48
has just been released and that is coming in audiobook soon as well so there are going to be six total books in
58:55
the sex Challenge Series and this is book three first one was the kitchen sex challenge second one the grocery store
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sex Challenge and now the car sex challenge so I got three more books coming and they're gonna do lots more
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