Your Nightly Desires Erotic Audiowork, Fantasy Role Play, and NSFW Animation

Ep 265: Your Nightly Desires Erotic Audiowork, Fantasy Role Play, and NSFW Animation. Enjoy our chat as we discussed creating erotic audios: the joys of creation, the fun, the satisfying parts, and the challenging, and painful, chores of editing. We talked about how he got started and how he has grown with regards to creating audio, which he publishes on Pornhub and YouTube. He talked about his experiences posting to the two platforms...and he's got me beat with how many attempts he's made to be on YouTube! I'm impressed! He also shared about how he creates NSFW animations and how he focuses on what he loves, boobs, asses, and thighs, oh my! Oh, yeah baby, oh my! Sounds like the wizard of oz but sexual! LOL! But with fucking... We are going to narrate some audiobooks together, he's got a scrumptious voice, so stay tuned for those releases and check him out at the links below! Oh, and we talked about porn, what men versus women want to see in porn, and how same sex porn can and does appeal to many people. We chatted about how we both feel about others enjoying and reacting to our erotic sexual content. Listen up and enjoy! Check out his content at:
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Transcript

Hello, this is Ruan Willow with the Oh, Fuck Yeah!

with Ruan Willow podcast. I'm excited you're here today. I have a very intriguing guest. He is known as Your Nightly Desires and he does erotic audio work and he gives fantasy role play.

He creates it as audios and he does not say for work animation. On my podcast I talk about all things about sex, sexuality, how to help you have better sex with yourself and with others, how to enjoy your sexuality, your sensuality, all that fucking yummy stuff. But if you're under 18, baby love, it is time to leave the podcast now because we do talk about sex, we talk about sexuality, fantasies, we talk about porn. You want to hear us talk about porn?

That's in this. Stay tuned. Okay, so I have a little sample from Your Nightly Desires. You can also find him on Pornhub Nightly Desires and Twitter at Nightly Desires. He also has a Patreon.

He's on YouTube. And we'll get into all of this and his links will be down in the podcast show notes. We had a really fun time talking about creating audio, erotic audio because we both do that. And we're going to narrate some of my work together. I'm excited. He's going to narrate some of my books with me and do the male parts. So I'm excited to embark on that with him. And he's going to share his experience with posting his audio on Pornhub and how that happened for him.

And he has a really funny story at the end that is personal about what he does. And we talk about porn. We just flat out talk about porn. We talk about creating for both creators. So it's fun to talk with him creating audio, erotic audio, fantasy, role play. And he also explains how he makes his not safe for work animation. And it's very painstaking.

It's amazing that he can do it, but it's an amazing process to learn about. So stay tuned for that. So fucking hot.

And I have a little sample of his work. Are you ready? Are you fucking ready? Are you fucking ready, baby? Let's fucking go. Hey, it's about that time. When asked for that favor. Josh, there you are. Oh, I needed someone like you all my life. No, don't run.

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All right. Now we are ready to get into the meat and juicy nuts and bolts and sass and fun and fucking all that kind of stuff into this interview. Stay tuned. Have fun. 

Learn. It's really interesting to hear what he does and how he does it, how he got started in the animation. It's interesting. 

He does commissioned audios as well. So stay tuned, stay tuned, and let's fucking go. Hello, everyone. I'm so excited. I have an amazing guest here. I'm really excited to talk with him and he does. Well, I'm not going to say what he does yet. I'm going to let him say it. 

Your nightly desires. Welcome. I'm so excited to have you on. Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here, Ruin. Tell us what you do. 

Well, I primarily focus on erotic audio work, giving fantasy role plays as well as not safe for work animation, which is pretty much the long and short of it. Right. Now, it's so interesting. How did you get into each of these? Well, when I came to audios, there was a night where I was recommended stuff on YouTube. My primary influences are dangerous ASMR, Ruthie Wren, and she used to be, I don't know what she goes by now, but her name was Varyana. And they did a very similar audios that were like mine, but only gender reversed. 

And I thought, well, these are neat. It's not like, you know, writing a book. Well, it kind of is. 

But, you know, you just, you just role play as such. And I thought I can do that. And I tried it and thankfully it was successful. And sorry. 

I'll go ahead. As for animation stuff, I've always loved animation as a kid. And I used to do safer work stuff and that wasn't really doing well. And I didn't really like what I was doing anyway. 

And I thought, well, what can I, what can I really do that I would enjoy breasts? All right. And I, I went from there. 

Well, that makes perfect sense. So do you, do you write out your, your audios or do you do like what I sometimes I'd do on my podcast? What's all do is like a product improv or just make it off the top of my fucking head, like the story. I just spin it or do you write it out and then like read it? 

It's half and half. If there's something I'm going to go into depth about, then I'm going to write it because I want to make sure that there's consistency in a story. Or if it's going to be a one-off, then I'm going to think in my head like, Oh, ABCD, there we go. Like, oh, we meet. There might be a conflict or we get along the bada bing, bada boom in the bedroom. 

We're done. And so maybe half to three quarters of my stuff is improv, but if it's commissioned or something that's more of a series, then it'll be written down. So commissioned, meaning someone has paid you to create something? Yes, ma'am. 

Very nice. And so how do people request that of you? Usually they go to my, they DM me on Twitter and they'll say, Hey, I want to commission. 

I'll be sure what do you want? And they'll give me the scenario, how long they want it to be, how I'll give them a price. And it usually goes on from there. And then part of that deal is you get to publish it. Right? 

Yes. Well, if they want me to, there's some that haven't been posted online because it's a little too personal for them. Like they might want their name mentioned. That makes sense. 

That makes sense. I know an author that does something similar and she, she will write, she writes size change erotica. I don't know if you've heard of that like giant, giantess and goddess and growing and shrinking, like, you know, the man might shrink down and be a dildo. I'm serious. I'm sorry. I know. So funny. 

I have narrated quite a bit for her. And it's just the first one I ever did, I laughed my ass off, because that was what was happening. And then, like, the woman would get bigger, like, if she was growing. And so then it was easy for her to give a blow job, right? And there's just so many different things that she plays with. And my whole point of saying this is that she does commissions, too. And she'll write a story, whether it's just for the person, or she has two different levels. And then she has one where it's higher, where she will then, she's allowed to put it on, or I don't know, she has some level where she's allowed to put it on Amazon and sell it. So she has two different levels that she does. And I think it's interesting that you're kind of doing a similar thing, only you maybe don't have the two different levels like she does. But yeah, that's a whole thing. 

That's a whole genre of erotica that is just, it's actually pretty popular. It's pretty interesting to hear. And I suppose I do something similar. There's been a couple of occasions where I would ask, do you mind if I record an alternative where I can post it online and bring more benefits out of it? Like, instead of saying your name, I can use the alternative, like Baby Girl or whatever, and they'll be like, oh yeah, that's fine. Or you could even like, you know, cut out the name and like, you know, say a new name and insert it into the into the audio, you know what I mean? Like sell it in that way, like, oh, your name is Tiffany. Okay, I've got a Tiffany right here. Did you know that you can put them on through Findaway Voices? 

You can create audios and sell them. Like, can they? I did not know that. 

Okay, so yes, I have to give you this scoop. So I do narrate through Audible and Amazon, but they require you to have an e-book in existence first. But if you go through Findaway Voices, you can just publish audio books that do not have a hard copy or an e-book. And they then appear on Spotify and people can actually buy them on Spotify or there's a multitude. Well, actually with erotic audio, for me, I have like 45 different sellers that you can go through. But they must block me on some of them because I've only gotten through on like, maybe six or seven. 

But it's a great option for you. You can put them out there and people can buy them. You know, like Barnes & Noble, Nook Book, audiobooks.com. 

There's a whole bunch of different ones, but and they do allow erotic audio because that's what I do and I have several up there and Spotify is a great option too, you know. It's really interesting. I'll consider it. Thank you. Yeah, so Findaway Voices is how you check that out and, you know, let me know if you need any tips. 

I've been I just started using them. So, okay, now let me get back to your line of things. Say some of your sexy because you have a lot of sexy things up on Pornhub, right? Say some of your titles because they're really intense and they're really dramatic and some of them are really aggressive and say some of your, or if you don't remember them, I can pull it up on my phone. What are some titles and topics you've done in your audio work? 

As of recent things, one of them that was really fun to work on was Stretched by a Gemnist behind your boyfriend's back, which some people not be into because involves cheating. Yes. Sensitive topic, yeah. 

Some of these are niche. Fucked by a fat cocktail again. Right. 

One more wholesome depending on who you are. Your husband wants to impregnate you. Conquered by a Viking warrior. Mm-hmm. Anxiegoth chokes on your cock. You know. Right. It's stuff like that. That's awesome. So do you come up with your own ideas or is it more predominantly people are asking you to create things? Or is it a mix? 

It's a mix. Some things I'm like, well, what are some things that I haven't seen or things that don't look videos because I don't want to be influenced and maybe accidentally steal a whole plot of somebody's. But I might see a recommendation of like, oh, a vampire or an incubus and think, I can make my own story like that. So just think about it. Write it. There you go. 

But then there's some people who are like my last commission was someone wanted me to be pretty much a delusional woodsman. Mm-hmm. Okay. 

Yes, I did see that one on your list. Mm-hmm. And I was like, okay, I guess I can do that. 

And I guess people liked it. So can't complain. That's awesome. 

So I have to ask you. So you are putting these very explicit audios on YouTube and you're getting away with it like nobody's like banning you or anything. I'm cutting out the loop. It kind of has the plot and then just as it gets to anything spicy, you'll hear the Pornhub intro and then it just cuts to the end where everything said and done. Okay. And then, but you don't put the Pornhub link in the notes, right? Because? 

No. Because, uh, yeah, they would. And I was monetized until I even put my Twitter link in my YouTube and they're like, nope, because of what you got on Twitter, you're done. I was like, all right, that's fair. And I will say, this is my 11th YouTube channel. 

Oh, you beat me. I'm on my fourth. Well, the few other times, it may have been the fifth or six was the final one where I would upload the entire audio with like no cuts or anything, which is understandable. But then after a few more times, I was trying to like figure out what can I do, what can I do? 

And then eventually I think YouTube was like, fuck you, just do what you want. It's so frustrating, isn't it? It is. But at the same time, I'm like, I know what I'm getting myself into. It's an eye roller, but at some point, like, you know, either I win or you win. So far, it's been two years and I've been doing all right. 

That's good. My first one I was on, I had 50,000 listens, year and a half and they asked me. And I was like, fuck, you know, and like they just, I was just gone. So then I tried it again and then they asked me and then I tried it again and then they asked me. And now I'm on my fourth one. 

And so what I've learned to is no links. I even linked to a sex coach who was a fucking therapist and they asked me for that. I'm like, she's a therapist, you idiots. Like, you know, this is fucking BS. It's mental health. 

Yeah, it is totally. So no links and stop putting erotica on there. Now I only put my interviews on there because I feel like they don't like the erotica either. So I'm just trying to do interviews only. So from what I've seen on YouTube, it's very weird. 

There's other male VAs who will go completely sexual. They've got hundreds, thousands of subscribers and yet somehow they get away with it. But somehow YouTube will detect the smaller folks and just get rid of them. Which is really confusing because to think that if you want to get rid of that kind of content you would go after, you know, I wouldn't want to say the source but just like the bigger zits if you will. 

And I don't know. It's a very strange platform. I don't think it's totally biased in BS. So like they have different rules. It's kind of like that on Instagram too. They have different rules for the big accounts and the little accounts. And it's like, yeah, they don't let you grow. 

They only let you grow for a certain amount and then they ask you. And for minor things that is, yeah, like the other accounts are actually flat out doing and getting away with. So it's yeah, it's totally biased. There's no doubt about it. Yeah, so in case anyone wants to do this kind of content, YouTube is not an ideal place. No. 

If you want it to be throwaway, you do you. But Pornhub, did you say Spotify? You can do it on Spotify. Now I have Erotica on my whole podcast is on Erotica or Spotify and you can put Erotica audiobooks on Spotify. 

Yeah, like for instance, they're a little bit less stringent. Like I just did a podcast about the story was a gang bang. And so in Apple, they put little stars. You know, only it was like a G, the G at the front and the G at the end and the rest were stars, right? But they still published it. And then for Spotify, they just flat output gang bang. So you know, they're a little bit more flexible apparently. 

Although I did have one band from from Spotify and I have no idea why because it's more of a sweeter erotic story and they banded that one. I'm like, what? I just let it go. I'm like, whatever. 

You know, you guys are psychotic. I don't understand why you're eliminating the one that's like a little bit like a kind of a sweet romance. Of course, they still had sex in it, but odd. I don't know. So I have to take your brain about Pornhub because I have been recently thinking about you know, just putting like an audiobook or something up there. 

But I'm a little nervous. What brought you to doing that and what's been your experience with Pornhub? What brought me to host on Pornhub? Yeah, like what made you think I, oh, I should put it here. Like, were you nervous to do that? Were you nervous that your name was associated with it in some way or anything like that? So I started in 2019 in late October and I was I was very nervous because it might be a surprise to you, but I'm pretty conservative when it comes to this kind of stuff, like personally. But I still wanted to like express that side because nowhere midwest there's not really much action. 

It's just cornfield. So I was like I want to do my thing. I'll put on Pornhub. 

See what's up. it was surprisingly well. It went surprisingly well, but then I thought I can become a model on here and then it asked for my info and I was scared shitless, but I did it anyway. 

Okay. And I don't know, there's just been other VA's who were on Pornhub that I recognized on YouTube who put their very old Patreon stuff on there. And I thought, oh, that must be a really good place to put your stuff on. And I did it. There's really not much to say about it. 

It just, it worked. And I'd recommend it. So you've had good success, obviously, because you're definitely got quite a few views. And that's totally awesome, which is fantastic. Yes, ma'am. Maybe I should try it. I'm a little bit nervous because do you have to give them your real name? 

If you'd like to be, oh, it's been a while. I think if you want to be monetized in a way, if you want to have ad revenue, then yeah, you'll have to give them like an ID, a picture of your ID. And I think you can blur out the important stuff just as long as they see that it's your name. 

Right. I suppose they have to pay you, right? So they have to have, have to prove you are you and you have to be linked to the way, you know, for them to pay you. You can use your direct deposit. 

You could use, they can just send you a check in the mail. Very interesting. From what I've seen, it's pretty private. 

So no one can see your real name. That's good. I get really nervous because I interviewed a woman and she was doing a podcast just about because she's queer and she was doing a podcast about being queer. And she went in for a job interview and it came up that she was doing explicit content online and she's like, I'm talking about being gay and queer. 

And they, she was labeled as that. I was like, Oh my gosh, are you fucking kidding me? That sounds absurd. I don't. 

I know, right? And to think that, you know, that wouldn't matter to try to get a job. I mean, it's not like you're going to implement anything sexual into the workplace anyway. 

Exactly. I just really shocked me. So then like now, ever since I heard that story, I'm like scared. 

I'm like, well, you know, probably I'd already be called that anyways because of my podcast, so maybe I shouldn't even worry about it. But, you know, that's just like, you know, for her, she's talking about being queer. She wasn't even talking about fucking as a queer person. She was just talking about being queer, you know, and that's just disturbing to me. That's, that's messed up. Well, I think that just has to do more with the workplace than it does with, you know, I don't know what to call it, but it just, it sounds more like a workspace issue. 

Yeah. Maybe they just didn't have a tolerance, I suppose. That could be. I mean, like, you know, that's just maybe one place. 

So it doesn't mean other people would be like that or other companies would be like that. But, okay, so tell me what's your, what do you have a favorite audio that you've done or one that like really did well that you didn't expect? Oh boy. Scrolling through. I think the one that I had fun the most working on was the short incubus series. People really liked one. And things that I think are just my favorites are the ones where I thought these are going to do horrible because they're so stupidly funny to me. But then people are like, I actually like this a lot. I'm like, OK. Yeah. 

Like there's one called. Wizard Master Grows Massive Horsecock. And I just, I just thought, well, how massive can we make this thing? 

And I was just like, oh, it's it's like the size of a tree trunk. Right. So pretty dumb. 

But then like people are like, this is really cool. You need a part two and. Just maybe. That kind of sounds like the growth erotica I was talking about where they grow. You know what I mean? Like and there's she does so many different things. I mean, it's just crazy what she does. She does femdom stuff. She does mean all these different things. Just she kind of she goes all across the board to she'll do lesbian. 

She'll do heterosexual. But it's just so funny sometimes. Like some of the stories like when I would narrate for her, why I still do narrate for her, but it just like laugh because it's just like crazy, especially the one of a man shrinking down and becoming a human dildo. The first time I read that I laughed so hard. I'm like, oh my gosh, are you serious? Like this? 

And then she just she describes what the man feels when he's going in the pussy. You know, it's just absolutely. It was just I just was I was dying. I was laughing. So. You know, each throne is not a fan, but no, I know. It's so many people love it. Right. And maybe it's the attraction to the impossible. Right. 

There's no way that someone's going to grow into like a 20 foot. No. Behemoth and then just, you know, shove you up their organs like, no, this the famous, you know, that is like, whoa, that sounds so fantastical and magic. Of course, of course, someone's going to be interested in it. Like I think that's no different from just the average, like, oh, there's an orc or an elf over there. Yes. 

Or a centaur, which was my last audio. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. It's exactly what it is. And some people like it because it also takes away their control. So it's a dominant thing too. Like if you shrink down and someone's using you as a sex toy, you're being forced to be a sexual thing. You know what I mean? 

So then they're being a sub and they're being, you know, they have that. The giantess is being a dominant. So the crazy one that I just narrated, this lesbian couple was paid to go wreck Paris and they grow into these giantesses, which are like, I don't know, several hundred feet tall in the end of the story. Of course, Eiffel Tower, right? So she goes and she uses Eiffel Tower as a dildo. Oh my God, I about died when I read it. I'm like, oh, it's the funniest thing ever. You know, I see a lot of that in animation too. 

I'll scroll down Twitter and there will be someone walking down the street and there'll be a giant buff dude and you'll just grab a bus and you'll use it as a flashlight. It's preposterous. It's hilarious. 

I think someone likes that. Good for them being so old to even make it, but in the end, it's their own. I think it's so funny. Oh my gosh. 

Okay. Tell me a little bit more about your animation and how do you make it to use like a program? I'm like so, so non-techie. So I don't even know how you possibly could even create such a thing. 

So for a while, I only used a mouse to draw, which was. Oh my gosh. Seriously? That sounds impossible. Well, enough tedious work and a little bit of your brain going missing after a while. 

You'll get it. But I use a program called TV Paint. It's a very lovely program that it's, it gets the job done. I used to work in Flash before that got terminated like a couple of years ago. 

But yeah, finally got a tablet maybe a year or two ago and it works like a charm. It's my beloved. And if there's a tornado, it's probably the first thing I'm taking down to the basement. It's a, it's a lifesaver because I, when I was animating with a mouse, maybe every six months, I would have to go through maybe three different mice because of so much clicking and so much wear and tear for it. That's some serious patience, man. I tell you. I did a game parody of Dark Souls that took a year. Wow. And that was with the mouse and it was only about five minutes long, but now I'm able to maybe in two years do a 15 minute cartoon, which I've been working on, which is huge improvement. 

So, yeah. That's pretty much it for animation. Well, what do you do with the animation? Obviously you posted on Twitter, but is that something that you do for commission as well? Very rarely because as I've mentioned, I've been working on a cartoon that's almost done. 

That is also a game parody of the old game RuneScape. And if someone wants to commission, it's got to be something that I'm comfortable to draw and won't take too much of my time. If you want a small gift, I'll happily do it. If you want a 30 second cartoon, you are out of your mind because I will not do that. 

Because one second of animation for me is about 24 drawings. Yeah. I had to pay you quite a bit. Yeah, absolutely. 

Yeah, it's got to be a pretty penny. And I know I'm not the best animator out there, but it's still my time going to be... I'm not going to say wasted because it's still experience, but it's still my time consumed. And yeah, commissions are just not as often as audios. So it's kind of more of a passion project for you, not that you wouldn't do them if the price was right. Right. 

And I'm probably going to do them way more often once my personal projects are done. Sure. Makes sense to me. So and then when you do them, do you plan out? You must have to plan out what's going to happen in it before you do it or do you do it on the fly? Most of the time planned ahead where you come up with the idea and then you roughly make chicken scratch sketches of what characters are doing and then you have to time them out properly. Then draw over those with the actual character and then do the thorough details. and that's the long and short of that. 

Wow, that's fascinating. And obviously you do, you know, people fucking, obviously, right? You said you put your favorite thing to draw is boobs. Boobs and the butts and squishy thighs. All the parts, right? 

All the parts that make my, my ears steam and my eyes pop out in my head. And it's that way for many people, right? That's fascinating. So then do you ever consider or have you ever, I guess I, when I was looking at your animations, I didn't have the sound on. Do you have a sound in them? Do you narrate to them as well? Or so I don't know if you have sound in them. Cause I, I guess I realized I had my sound turned down when I looked at them on your Twitter. The looped versions normally don't have sound because it's just a GIF, but then there'll be extended animations that might be 30 minutes to a minute. 

And those will more likely have audio. I also enjoy adding sound ingenuity to set animations. It's just, I don't know, it's fun to bring those kinds of creations even further to life other than drawing them from my imagination. 

So interesting. So when you're like, you kind of have like, kind of an outline, like how they're gonna have sex in the animation, what they're gonna look like, that kind of thing. Is that kind of what you plan ahead and think of it in that way? 

More or less. And sometimes I'll go to Pornhub or there's a old website called Image FAP where you can find really good reference for drawings. It's a lot of amateur and even clips of pro studio pornography where they'll have, you can just type in a pose and there'll be like, like the full Nelson pose. There'll just be plenty of reference of different angles and different body types of people. And that can be used as a really good reference to help. 

It'll take less work off the brain. But yeah, it is as you suggested, it's a lot of just thinking about what the character is gonna look like and how they're gonna have sex and even what kind of camera angle, because I think the camera angle is a very unique thing to do. And so that just a bland forward view. 

Absolutely. I mean, it's not really any different than people that are recording real porn because they're obviously all about the angle and all that too. I mean, obviously you don't have to worry about lighting but they worry about angle, exactly. 

I mean, I have a friend who's an amateur porn star and she and her husband create it. And she was telling me about that one time too and she's like, some angles she just hates because she feels like she looks awful, you know what I mean? Like, which I can understand. So angle matters. Yeah, so very much does, especially if you wanna capture someone's eye if they're scrolling through Twitter or even porn hub. There's just a lot of angles that people use over and over again, which there's no problem with. 

But after a while, sadly there comes a point where I'm like, did I see this like a year ago, even though it's a brand new thing someone made, but yeah. And you put the animations on porn hub too. I didn't see them on porn hub, but. There's a couple and there's only a couple because those are more longer. They're just longer animations I thought would be decent enough to view on porn hub instead of throwing a GIF on porn hub and then suddenly some clicks on it and it's not even a second long and they're like, well, what the hell was that? Yeah, good point. Don't wanna piss people off, right? 

And they're just not gonna come back. So did you have any art training or is this something you just kinda developed on your own and just have a talent for? The furthest I've ever gone when it came to being taught art was in high school where they tried to teach me realism and I said, this sucks. 

I don't get it and they're like, well, I guess you fail. But I was like, whatever, I'm gonna draw cartoons. And so I pretty much taught myself in my senior year of high school and slowly progressed to now. 

I would look up like a few tutorials on YouTube if I'm stuck, but otherwise I mainly just figured out all on my own. That's very cool. And obviously you have a talent and affinity for it. That's pretty cool. Well, thank you. Good for you. 

I think that's pretty awesome. So in doing your audios too, do you have a whole list of things you're still gonna do? For me, I have way too many things I wanna do. 

So I have this big long list of things I wanna write, audio books I wanna create. Are you like that too? Or are you just not sure what you're gonna do next? 

Oh yeah. There's, in the back of my script book, there's a bunch of different ideas that I wanna do in the future. But then as soon as I start to sit down and wanna record, I look at him and go, ah, that's so much effort. Yeah, I get it. 

I totally get it. Because editing audio is, I mean, talking about painstaking, it's painstaking to do, isn't it? Like it's fucking painful. That's just... 

I'd rather look outside and just, I don't know, watch Ant's Fuck. I don't know. I know. After about a minute, I think that's like a day's worth of audio done. One minute, boom, fine. Wow. But God, it's... And I think of always dreading the next audio. Yeah. Not because of the acting, but the sitting down and just seeing that timeline of audio. Oh yeah. 

And seeing that after like even three minutes of it being edited, you zoom out and see the whole project. And you go, ah. Oh my gosh, I know that. 

I so know that pain. Like right now I'm editing a audio book that is 12 chapters long. And it's the longest one I've done, which was painful is all fuck, is when I did Magic and Her Kisses. I wrote, that's a lesbian BDSM story, a professor and college student. And it was like 60,000 words. 

And I think it ended up being around seven to, maybe seven and a half hours long. Oh my God. Oh my gosh. It's so fucking painful. 

People do not understand. When you listen to an audio, which is like 20 minutes, oh, that's so nice and so lovely. They have no idea how long you have spent to create that particular audio. Look, when comments, there'll be comments to some audios. And even like in other people's creations that are like 30 minutes long, which is impressive as it is. There'll be comments that'll say, this was great, man, wish this was longer. And deep inside, I'm like, fuck you. Cause like, I know you don't mean anything by, it just shows that you appreciate the work, but oh my God, it's a mental marathon for people who edit audio. 

People who do that for like a living living every day. Oh, oh my God. I don't think I could do it. And I do it a big chunk, you know, like I do, I do the podcast and then I do audio books, but I also write, but I don't think I could do it full time. I think I would go postal, I'd go crazy. 

I don't think I could handle it. And on this subject, I would like to say that there's a voice actress named Dude That's Lude. Okay. She just might be the number one voice actress in my field who is on Pornhub and YouTube. And she, it is fucking insane how productive she can be. Wow. Because throughout October and December, she has 30 audios, one for every day. Oh wow, yeah. And she uploads maybe once a week anyway after that. No, it's once every other day. And you can only look at her and think, where the fuck is your energy? 

Can I have some? I know exactly. How long does she usually do? Like when she uploads them, how long are they? 

They can go from between like maybe 15 minutes to 30 minutes. Right, yeah. That's that, I mean, that's, that's a, that takes a fair amount of time to edit. And I use editing software. 

I don't know if you use any editing software, which does help, but it's still, you still have to listen to everything. And it's like, yeah, it's a line by line, you know? Just hearing your voice say the same thing seven times over and over again, just to make sure that it was timed right, just. Uh-huh. Oh, I so know. 

It's terrible, but hopefully it's a phase off. I know exactly. Exactly. I mean, when I first started it, I was like, my mentor told me, okay, so now when you narrate it, that's the easy part. 

You know, when you edit it, it's going to take two to four or more times than it did for you to record that. And I didn't believe them at first. And then I'm like, when I started doing it, it was, it was right. Like, oh my gosh, are you getting? Do you also just start to like sweat when you edit? 

Like it just becomes a, it's almost a workout of its own, but I think it's your brain just being really tired. I know. It's so painful. And then like now, when I, now when I do it, my, my ear is like so hyper. I hear every fucking thing. And like, so then I'll have somebody listen to it and they don't even hear it. And I'm like, yeah. Yeah. 

So you're probably the same as me, right? You hear every fucking thing and you try to get every fucking thing out to make it as pure as possible. But probably most of people aren't even going to hear what you're taking out. Like if there's a bit of like background noise, like if a cat meows, I just go like, fuck, damn it. But then no one hears it thinking, how much, how much can you get away with it really? Because you're aware of it. You said it yourself, Ruin, that you are aware that something might not sound right, but no one gives a shit because they didn't hear it. 

So. maybe it's that's just because you hear it over and over again and then suddenly you're like wait a minute Now I hear something People who normally once or twice they're they're gonna enjoy it right and if you think about it too They're listening to the story and if they hear like a weird those sounds. I hate I don't know if you get these are the stupid zip sounds if they make a zip There's a zip sound you have to get out where the clicks drive you fucking crazy. I Start using the isotope rx8 did I get that I was I was just going to Suggest that to you. I use the same thing for clicks It works really well I still have some in there though, but I stay pretty close to the microphone because my voice is not Projectile it's more soft. 

I have to be like close to it I always think that's why I get more clicks than maybe other people who are maybe further away from the microphone I don't know but yeah I The rx8 was a lifesaver honestly. Oh, yeah It was on sale maybe a year ago for ten bucks. I thought fucking Yeah, I've got it for ten bucks ten or twenty five. Oh my gosh We must be talking about a different one because mine was like on sale from 400 down to 200 The rx8 audio editor. Yeah, it's like isotope rx8. 

I thought it's the same thing. I've got I'm sorry Wonder how I I bought it directly from isotope website, but the dude who was my mentor That's where he said he got it from and he that's how much he said it was and but I got it on sale But really so it was really that cheap for you. Yeah, I'm sorry Oh my gosh, I wonder where you got it that it could be that cheap like someone like isotope had a sale maybe a year ago Yeah, down to that cheap. Maybe it's because they have don't they have like ten now Maybe that's why it was cheaper because back when I got it. 

It was maybe the current one. That's probably the case then Yeah, but that's it because I don't I didn't I never upgraded it because I'm like, I don't do you really need to is it really gonna add Anything I don't know. Maybe it does but let's let's just use that as a cope Exactly, we'll just we'll just stick it with that. I mean That works for me Now for a quick word from my sponsor male hanger. 

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It's amazing It is unbelievable and you can also check out my interview with the CEO of male hanger on this podcast Search for that you can get all the info right from there check it out. All right, and now back to the show So tell me some of your other ideas that you have where are you gonna go next? I'm sorry, can you Know if I understand the question like what topics are you gonna do next like what would you plan to do next for your next audio? My next audio I have a couple usually I like to have them on the back burner So I don't have to record and exhaust myself every other week. 

Mm-hmm. I Have one that's going to be out soon. That's called it's just called cabin blizzard, but It's pretty much going to be a couple who are locked outside of a cabin that they rented out for a holiday There's a blizzard. So they're stuck in their car Heater on and I'm gonna be all like, you know, you know, it's pretty cool to like warm up. Yeah sex and Pretty much how it's gonna go but one that I worked on last weekend that I enjoyed improving was Yard work for a mom's friend Mmm, okay, and it'll be the first audio where I focus more towards the listener being older Okay, mm-hmm because usually a lot of female listeners like the older silver fox aspect of things sure and With this one, I wanted to kind of I Don't know if it's selfish is the right word But I kind of wanted to indulge in my fantasies and it's almost it starts off as like a classic cool boy But I'm like, oh Cool isn't that dirty? Oh You want me to mow the lawn take my shirt off? Okay? Wow This is easier than I thought it's almost like this London need to be mowed at all What your husband is out of the state for work. 

What a lame dude Just kind of goes from there Very nice. That'll be great. I think that's great to have different variety too, especially, you know People are searching on porn hub, you know like You know put something in there that someone's gonna like you're gonna you're gonna if you have I feel like if you have a lot of people Say you should specialize but I kind of feel like if you have a lot of different topics It's better because most people have a lot of turn-ons, right? I mean, they're not just turn on by one thing So, you know, you can if you have multiple topics that might come in and see your other stuff and be like, hey Look at this. Look at that. 

Look at this. I like this, you know a Library within the library and if you like if you like the content creator then You got plenty of goodies that you can listen to one day and then maybe a few months later You go back to and enjoy it again It's also Speaking of variety. That's also why I'll occasionally do a gay audio Yeah, I'm personally straight but I thought why not like it winds the audience and it'll make some guys happy Even sometimes they'll be like I'm a guy and I pretend that I'm the girl and like oh, well, I'll I'll do a gay audio then Right. 

Yeah, I mean it makes me think of I had this discussion with someone recently I remember who it was. It was one of my interviews and we were talking about porn and she was saying that She has a lesbian couple that likes to watch gay porn. There's just something about gay porn Male gay porn that turns them on right? Wouldn't expect that you wouldn't expect two lesbians just that their want to watch two men fuck, but they do they love it So there's nothing wrong with that, but it is bizarre in a fascinating way Exactly they like and what they like. I don't know something like they like the there's just something about the Power dynamics or just something about the way it has to be done I don't know whatever it was it just really turned them on and that's like Opposite of what you would think two lesbians are gonna want to watch two men fuck, right? I mean, that's you know, it's kind of mind-blowing intriguing, but it's true We don't all just have one little fantasy, you know, we have multiple fantasies and they have nothing to do with our sexual orientation I'm my brain still kind of just stuck on that Love that I have to I like that. 

That's funny. I like what you want, but Right, I know I was really taken aback when she told me that soon I was like, wow, you know, like that's that's fascinating I just never would have never would have thought that that would be a thing The other thing is too, I know people who write gay male erotica, you know who their highest Number of fans are like the most people the how do I say that what their main the main Yes, they're primary on it. You know what it is probably women It's straight women straight women love to read gay male porn and I've talked to several authors who write this and they're like, it's true That is fascinating, you know that actually kind of have a firsthand experience up with that I would just be hanging out with my friend Cody and he has a fiance and We'll just be playing games in the living room together and his fiance would walk by and say, you know It'd be pretty hot if you two would just fuck We're both straight and we just look at her like what She'll just laugh and go into the kitchen and we'll just kind of like Fuck you So I don't think she's joking either because she she says it a lot and it's I Don't know. That's that's just uncharted space That's a scary place, I don't know what the deal is But it's a thing right I mean I was a thing for her. Yeah, well, but then again like what's the difference between That and like guys watching a lesbian porn Well, right true. 

That's a good point. There's so many men that love lesbian porn It's true. Yeah, and I've talked to people about this too And what you know, sometimes you can maybe speak to this too, but some men I've talked to been like well I like it because it's what I like to do You know, they're imagining that they're the lesbian things that they like to do to a woman So that's what turns them on or they just like to see two women like touching each other in that way, you know I think it's interesting, but it's totally a thing well personally when it comes to that kind of content, lesbian porn is pretty gnarly, but I think that maybe it has to do with some guys being not comfortable with there being another dude in the room. 

Oh, okay, got it. They maybe don't want to see the dude naked. Right, which the dude naked, the dude moaning, personally when it comes to a lot of porn, I don't mind if there's a dude in there, but please shut the fuck up. I don't need you to be like, oh yeah, like I don't need any of that. But see, then the women want that, right? So the women want that. 

Right, yeah. It's a very, I guess it's women, the audio's there if you want to listen to the dude banging the girl. Guys, it's the mute button if you don't want to hear it. True, that's a good point. 

There's always the mute button. But there was also a discussion years ago, maybe back in 2015, I heard like an hour long video of like people debating this and it was if it's weird for straight guys to watch two women fucking, but if one of them has a penis, like a trans woman. Yeah. I guess how the porn industry might sometimes call them a she-mail. And they're like, yeah, that's gay, but then someone made a really good point and it was, well, as guys, as straight guys, we were gay, whatever, we want to penetrate the purse. 

Sure, yeah, yeah. How are women going to do that? And sure, there's strap-ons, but that's like not as intimate. So. 

Right. I guess the, not impasse, but just the handshake deal of it is there can be two women, but one of them has a wiener. And I think that's completely fair. Like I'll watch that and have that mindset, like, you know, it's fine. 

I don't want to see a built like a barn balled red guy sweating, screaming. I can understand. It is a really interesting thing though, because I mean, it also for men, they're probably thinking, you know, it just is more identify with it more because of the penis and the penis going inside and feeling rather than this just plastic dildo that isn't feeling anything. I mean, no, I don't know for women that maybe put like a vibrator down in there when they're doing pegging, then they're having the sensation. But the person watching it, they know that they're not having any sensation as the dildos going in, you know? 

Right. It's not as intimate. It's not just, it is what it is. 

It's artificial and a lot of people can see it as that and see through the action. It depends on who you identify with, I think, right? Like if you identify with the person getting fucked or if you identify with a fucker. Well, even then, like if you're the one who's being received, yeah, who's receiving, I don't know, you might just feel it as a toy. Yeah, right. Yeah. That's a good point. It's not a person, it's not flesh, it's not a body. 

It doesn't have feeling. Yeah, exactly, right? That makes sense to me. So how do you feel about, because I know how I feel about this, which I like it, but how does it feel for you when you know you create these sexy audios and you know people are enjoying them in the most intimate way, they're getting off, it's turning them on. How does that make you feel and is it a good feeling for you? I never thought about it. Oh, you haven't? Suppose it's flattering, but sometimes, and it's even more flattering when someone bothers to comment. 

Yeah. But then there's some comments where, I don't like you said too much. Like I don't need to know the details of your throbbing pecker or anything like that. Just say you enjoyed it, but... People, I suppose it is enjoyable to know that my audios aren't... I suppose they're just glad that they're being enjoyed for the reason they are being enjoyed. 

YouTube, however, people will be like, yo, this is hilarious. And I'm like, what? Okay. 

But then Cornhub, they're very passionate and they're very... The comments I do like are the ones who are like, I made an account just to say this was awesome. Really enjoyed myself. Might try this with my boyfriend. I'll give him a thumbs up. 

That's very cool. It makes me sad that some people are like, I enjoy this more than real sex, but don't tell my husband. They'll be like, oh no. Right. Right. Well, there's a lot of people out there that don't try very hard or don't have open minds. I can see how that'd be a thing. Sadly, that's true, but you're giving them something that's very valuable and that they can explore their fantasies and pleasure. That's kind of how I look at it. I really love that. I can help people feel good and explore their fantasies and maybe ways they wouldn't normally be able to in real life. Right. 

And there's been some comments where that's a very, I suppose, inspiring and it was, they say, I clicked on this knowing that I wouldn't like it, but it turns out I actually do. Like clown fucking. Right. I know. 

Curiosity and then they end up liking it. I love it. Yeah. Clowns, aliens, demons. They're like, what is this? 

And then they afterward, they're sweating and red face and they're like, well, damn it. Yeah. It's a whole level of fantasy that they can go to and those kind of things. You know what I mean? Like there's, it's just so different. 

I think that's why so many people really like that type of content too. Was that it, you can just, your brain can go somewhere different that it can't when it's, you know what I mean? That's another thing about erotic audio too, is that it allows you to don't need to visualize things because I think that porn definitely is it de-stimulates you? Like you're not as stimulated as like something ordinary anymore. It dulls your senses a little bit. And when it comes to audio, you can just lay down, sit down, whatever, close your eyes and you can just hear what's going on, which I think is also very important in an audio is that you should have ambience. 

You should have a nice scenery sound and really tell the listener what's going on without them thinking too much and distracting themselves from what's important in the end. And yeah, they just, they use their imaginations. Right, absolutely. I mean, it's just, because it's interesting people. I think people engage on a different level and immerse themselves in a different way when it's something they read or listen to. 

And it's a different experience to read a book as it is to listen to the audio book. So it's so true that, you know, you get to use your imagination more than if you're just looking at a video, a porn video. You don't, yeah, you're given all these things in the porn video. You don't use any of your own imagination. You aren't, yeah, you're just not as immersed in it. 

It's just like passive, it's more passive. Yeah, cause when, it's almost like when you read a book compared to watching a movie, you see the movie and you see just like an actor like Ryan Reynolds. And you're like, oh, that's Ryan Reynolds. And you don't actually think of it as the character. 

But then when you read the book, it's an established character not based on an actor or actress. It's just, oh, they have blue eyes. They have wavy, curly, brunette hair. 

They have beautiful plump pink lips. And you're like, whoa, this is a character that I'm gonna imagine right now. And you have your own interpretation of it. And that's the same as erotic audios. Absolutely, absolutely. And yeah, it's almost, you can't ever tell too much in audio because you're still gonna have that piece where the person is still going to visualize what they're gonna visualize because you're not looking a living person or an animation. Yeah. 

Exactly. That's totally awesome. I think that's cool. So do you get, I mean, everybody gets haters. Do you get like people that like pick on you? Because I get people that pick on me too, you know? 

Like they complain about something. There's always gonna be haters, right? Well, there's two categories, if you don't mind me talking about them. There's the ones toward me and then there's the ones, no, not towards me really, but towards my content and then towards people who listen to it. 

The first one is people who take things out of context and make something out of nothing. And it's, there was an audio that was made where it's, I think it was commissioned anyway, but I play as an asshole pretty much. And the listener is a newly employed maid of my manner. 

And the commissioner specifically asked me, can you just be harsh, just be a dickhead please? I'm like, okay, that's what I'm best at. So at some point just added a glass shattering sound effect and rage and just say, you're nothing but a poor useless slave. And then all the comments, there's just some people who are saying, well, as a black listener, they assume that it's like, well, I understand why they may be uncomfortable, but it's not in that light. It's just, I don't know, I'm dominant, you're a submissive employee. Like, you're a slave to me, I hardly pay you anything. And people just were very upset by some of the word choices I use that personally, I don't even thought was that bad, because a slave isn't necessarily toward a specific race. 

It's just, you know, a person, whatever. And other than I don't even know if that's really hate, I just think that's more being criticized for what kind of vocabulary I use. But then there's the haters on other people who listen. 

And it's, it was one of my gay audios where you believe that my primary audience is women. So they'll click on it anyway. And they would say they would show their support that, you know, even though I'm a woman, I find this hot, which goes back to our earlier conversation, that they just like that, even in erotic audio, even if they're being portrayed as a guy, they still enjoy it because it's right. It's just interesting. But there is just enough of those comments where the gays who listen to my audios would come in and say, yo, can you women back the fuck off? Because this is our turf pretty much. 

And I was like, yo, what the fuck, fapping peace, y'all like the same thing? What's the issue? Right? They're showing support. I don't get it. Yeah, I don't get that either. It's very silly. 

It is. Like, you don't see another woman coming in till like a lesbian video and saying chilao. It's bizarre. I guess that's my favorite word tonight. It's bizarre. It is bizarre. 

It's totally bizarre. And for people to get mad at you for being that character really makes no sense to me because a character can be whatever the fuck we want it to be. There are mean characters. There are crazy characters. There are characters who use bad language. So it's odd to me that people would come at you like that because portraying a character. So I'm just to make any sense. 

It's not one thing I want to do ask of you with this. This is what happens to me a lot. Like, people who read what I write, or my audiobooks, they think that I like everything that I narrate or write. And I'm like, no, that doesn't mean it's my fantasy just because I chose to write that character, write that story, or do that audio, I'm playing a part, I'm playing a role. And I think it's because sex is so personal. People think that everything that I do is my fantasy. 

And like, that's not true. I have written many things that I don't ever want to do in my life that I don't even fantasize about. You know, some things obviously I do. But it's weird to me that people make that leap from they think because you're writing about sex that you want to do everything that you have created. Does that happen to you at all? Well, ma'am, what you just said sounds like you've got a lot of silly goose readers. 

All right. They just want me to like that. Maybe that's what it is. Not that. 

Not from what I've read. I don't get anything like that. But I don't know. 

That's really silly. Like, I know, right? People in the art side of things. I've seen other artists go through that where like, they're like, oh, you draw a lot of this so much. I guess you're really into it, which could a lot of the times is the case. But some people just do it because they know it's popular. Right. But then when it comes to your writing, you're just creating a scenario. You're trying to whether it's something common, whether it's a niche. 

I don't think it matters as long as you're putting your own unique twist on it and thinking that it's a cool little read that you're going to do. I don't get why someone would just assume that you're hardcore into it. And it happens to me all the time. And maybe it's because I'm a woman or maybe it's because they want me to like what, you know, they think it's hot and they want me to be into that particular scene or probably the reason. Like everything I'm writing is all my secret desires. You know, like I just want to do everything. 

I mean, yes, I have a lot of things I want to do. But that's weird to me that people assume that just because I wrote that scene that I want to do that. I'm like, no, I'm creating a story. It's creating art. 

I'm creating characters. It's not memoir. It's probably not bias, but that's probably definitely a guy thing. Because if a guy were to do the same thing in your position, you probably wouldn't get as many comments saying that you would probably get comments. 

They'll probably just think, yeah, that's about right. Horny dude writing horny things. But then when they hear a woman doing it, they're like, oh, and they just, they're fascinated by it. It's just because there's probably still this mindset that women are more reserved and I'm sure that's still true in various places. 

But once they hear a woman start like talking about their fantasies, suddenly they're all like eyelash fluttering, just leaning over the table, please go on. Yeah. Exactly. 

I think that's totally true. Yeah, it's just there might also be like the opposite effect to that too, where like, someone might read or watch something that someone made and be like, oh, this is amazing. And then when it's a guy, they find out that the author is a guy, they're like, oh, and they're not as willing to partake in that reading anymore. But then when it's a woman, suddenly they're more invested in it. 

That's a good point. And I think that's really true, because I don't show my face on anywhere, but I show my body and people know that I'm a woman. So to me, that's part of my writing and part of what I'm creating is that people know that I am a woman, not that they can see my full face or anything. But to me, that's part of like, I don't know, what do you call it? 

Your brand or your creations to know that for people to know that I am a woman and that's who I am. I don't know what you would call it, a shtick. Yeah, maybe. We all know what we're talking about. It's fine. 

Yeah, that's exactly. So how do you record yours? Do you, I use, I record in audacity. How do you record? 

I use audacity as well. You do? Okay. 

For a microphone, I, since 2015 or 2014, I've always same microphone for various things. It was a blue snowball. And it finally had its last breath, maybe a month ago, and I finally upgraded to a blue Yeti. Okay, yes, the Yetis. Do you like it? 

It's different. It's a big metal chunky thing, but it definitely sounds crisp. It has many settings that are easy to use. 

And I'd recommend it, even though audio engineers will be pretty prissy on the newest microphones, but this one's affordable and easy to use. Right, exactly. Yeah, I'll probably keep using mine until it dies. But sometimes I wonder if I'm giving myself more work, because may not be recording as nice of an audio. There we go. 

I get more editing needed with my particular microphone is if I were to get more, a more expensive one. Have you, you know anything about that? Is that like a thing? Like, will people notice that your audio quality could be better? Right. Or do you think it, do you think it plays any role in what you need to edit out? Like, is there more to edit out? Like, to get, is it sound need more editing with a cheaper microphone? 

I don't feel like it does, but kind of, but not really. When it came to the blue snowball, there was a lot more white noise in the background. Okay, you could hear my computer humming. And that was always annoying. 

But that was always fixed with RX8. But now with the blue Yeti, it has different way more options where like, it can be binary where I could whispering your right ear, your left ear if I wanted to, it could be more focused on my voice. It could even go forward and back for like in person podcasts. 

And then the final one is just all around. So if I change the setting, which I won't, you can hear the TV in the other room. Oh, how interesting. And that was your old one, or this is the new one. You mean this is the new one where you can just have all those various options. That's right. 

On top of RX8, gorgeous. Nice. Yes. Interesting. I totally need the RX8. 

I don't know if I could do as much audio as I've done if I didn't have that. I mean, seriously. Yeah. was like, it was a time saver and life saver because whenever editing audio, you'd have to find it. I'll be honest, sometimes when I would do an audio, I would want it to be in a loud location, like a nightclub or something so I can put nightclub ambience in the background so you don't hear my computer going, burrrrr. Yes, I can totally understand. 

That would work good. Yeah, I don't put too many sound effects in mine because I really just haven't, I guess. And I don't know, maybe it's something I should add more in, but because you have sound effects, right? Because obviously, I've listened to some of your audio when I was checking you out. Oh, but to answer your question, though, about the microphones, I don't, from the way you sound to me, you're completely fine. 

Okay, I don't think a lot of listeners are too picky on even the quality of it just as long as you can get the fantasy across as long as you can get the story across, you're fine. Yep. But there will be some elitists in the area who will be like, well, you shut your, this audio microphone instead, burr, burr, burr, and you'll be like, all right, whatever. This out of a question. Do you ever try to do, now, let's see, try to remember when I listened to your audios, do you try to sound like a woman? Do you try to do a woman voice? I can't remember if you did or not when the audio was I listened to. 

May I ask which ones that you listened to? So I know what you're referring to. There was one with a sister. 

And then I think I listened to, oh gosh, I think I listened to mainly heterosexual ones. So, oh, there was like, was there one in an airport? Is that right? The airport, yes. That was my first mission. Oh, nice. 

Very cool. And I think it was a sister and maybe it was a stepsister in a room when you're having a party going on. Is that familiar? Yes. That one was recently, I believe. And when it comes, I don't think I used any, oh, when it was my older audios, I did have female moaning. 

My friend sent me a pack saying, I got this for you. It's just samples of women being pleasured. And that's where I wanted to go when I first started audio. So maybe my first four, five or six, you could hear the listener moaning, but people didn't like that because they felt like it wasn't them. And that's when I stopped because number one, it was just easier not to edit. And secondly, I understood their point completely and just made more sense just to help the viewer. True. 

And it totally depends on your audience. I've noticed that too. There's some women who listen to some of my audio books that I have a lot of moaning in and they just can't even tolerate it. They hate it. And then I get men who are like, oh my God, I fucking love that. You know what I mean? 

It depends on your audience. Yeah. It's almost like, well, what sacrifice are you going to do for this audio kind of deal, isn't it? Right. So it's like, you've got to find this balance. But I know that you're never going to please everyone. You're not going to fit in every audience and everybody's fantasy. Not everyone's going to like it. 

But there are people that do. It's, I don't know. It's strange how picky people can be on pornography. It isn't strange, but it's always amazing to see. 

Oh, it is. It's just fascinating. And I think it's interesting too how some people, like they'll know immediately within like a couple of seconds if they're going to like the porn or not. And it's interesting how quickly people judge because they don't, people don't judge that quickly when you're watching like a regular movie or reading a book. But if porn, I feel like it's like right away, people are like, yes, yes, or no, absolutely not. And they move on. It's probably because they're already in a mindset. 

They're already feeling aroused and they don't want to see something that will immediately turn them off and ruin their buzz, if you will. True. That's very true. 

That's just a theory. I think you're right. Yeah. 

That makes sense. This has been really super fun. Is there anything that we haven't talked about that you want to talk about or that you want to mention? Obviously, you have the Patreon and that's at Your Nightly Desires on Twitter at Nightly Desires and Pornhub. What do you call that Pornhub? 

I didn't write that down. I'm also called Night Your Nightly Desires on Pornhub. It's at Nightly Desires on Twitter because it was just too long for your. And if you want to have a more safer work version of my stuff on YouTube, there's Your Nightly Desires or at the real Your Nightly Desires, because some kids stole my name. And as for Patreon, if you want to support me on there, you're more than happy to. However, it is both audio and animation progress, and it's been a little dry as of late. 

But obviously, that just means you don't have to support me and just listening is just as good. Right. But I think that's it really. Awesome. What's what's been really fun? I really enjoyed chatting with you and learning more about what you do. And obviously, we're going to figure out how we're going to collaborate some way and do audio so people can both let them know what the hell we're going to do, right? Yes, ma'am. 

It was first experience. You took my podcast, Originity. Sweet. You know what? Quick story for you. My friend, he found out a few years ago that I did Pornhub because I told him, and he just did this goofy, and he immediately went to Pornhub, he said, I'm going to find you, motherfucker. And I said, why? Just so I can find you. I said, okay, he's like, tell me your name. 

I said, no. And it took him maybe two weeks. And he said, and like, while we're talking over the phone or something, he's like, man, I am scrolling through a lot of dicks right now. And he said, you're an idiot. And he's like, well, tell me your name and this will be over. 

I said, nah, I'm fine. He's like, you, but then I got really excited because I said, guys, I hit the thousand and top 1000 on Pornhub for models. And he's like, I immediately went to Pornhub and he looked up the models and he's like, oh my God, there's so many dicks are so many dicks. And then like, we're playing games together. And he said, you motherfucker, I found you. 

I said, really, really chuckle nuts. Then what's my name? He said, you were nightly desires. 

I said, no. Yeah, it is your birthday, your fucking height, your fucking nose. I know it's you. 

The picture I sent you for a thumbnail, that was my picture at the time. He's like, I know that stash. I know that nose. 

That's you. And we came over, he's like, what's going on guys? I said, hey, you want to know my name? He's like, sure. 

He was so bad because he had to spend a month looking at dicks to find him. I just tell him. That's hysterical. He didn't talk to me for like a few days, but it was fine. That's pretty funny. 

I spent a month looking at dicks to find you. That's really funny. Yeah, it's great. It's classic. 

I love it. He still gets mad though. He probably always will. 

Yeah, that's fine though. He's done things too. Yeah, I bet. 

So that's a good story. Thank you so much and you have a good night. Thank you. 

Good night. It was a pleasure to be here. It was so fun to have you. You have a good day. Good evening. I guess it's evening. Good evening. Bye-bye. 

Bye-bye. Thank you so much for listening to this. I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you had fun. I hope you enjoyed our entertaining each other. We had a great chat. 

We really did. Talking about porn is fun too. I like talking about porn with other people. And we're obviously from different walks of life. So it's just interesting to hear his perspective and I have my perspectives and to hear all his perspectives on creating erotic audio and I do the same thing. So it's just fun to compare notes and it's just interesting to talk to another creator. So check out soon. 

I don't know. In the next couple of months, maybe hopefully next month, our joint audio of him narrating my audio stories, his voice, in with mine. We're going to be mixed together. He's going to be the male. I'm going to be the female. 

And those books will go live. Don't forget to look down in the podcast show notes to find out where he is. If you're curious about what he does and want to find out more, you can look on Pornhub, YouTube, Twitter, all those places where he is. And don't forget to check down in the podcast show notes for my links. 

Mine are in the link tree where you can find where I am all across the internet, my erotic audio books, erotic books, and my subscription levels all across different platforms, including this podcast platform. You can get the extras for only $3 a month. You can get the extra episodes that are exclusive, extra hot. And just for people who subscribe to that. 

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Thank you so much for listening to this. Don't forget to fucking masturbate, right? Don't forget to enjoy your body. Don't forget to come today. Come today. 

That's a thing, right? You should. I did. You do it. Let's do it. Let's all fucking do it. All right. You have an amazing fucking day. Love you. Bye bye now.