Unlocking the Erotic Mind: A Steamy Session on Writing Erotica with Hank Dolworth

Ep 434: Writing Erotica: A Passionate Journey with Hank Dolworth.
Listen in on a literary adventure as I chat with the multifaceted erotica and erotic romance author, Hank Dolworth. We dive deep into the steamy waters of erotic fiction. He's a man who's not just a writer, but a storyteller at heart. Hank, the creative force behind Jackal Publishing, shares his experiences from his first tantalizing reads to becoming a voice in the world of self-published erotica.

We explore the intricate dance between characters and plot, the thrills of writing sex scenes, and the delicate balance between fulfilling reader expectations and staying true to one's creative vision. Hank candidly discusses his writing process, revealing how his characters take on lives of their own, steering stories into uncharted territories of desire and intimacy.

Listeners will get a peek into Hank's upcoming works, including "A Hot Wife Spring Training," (excerpt in the episode), a tale that promises to be as provocative as it is heartfelt. He also sheds light on the importance of understanding your niche, the power of community in the writing world, and the liberating act of sharing stories freely.
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Show notes created by https://headliner.app
(01:37) Which way does the harem swing?
(02:22) What would you like to share about your own sexuality with readers
(09:11) Sometimes I outline, sometimes I don't
(10:13) Why did you choose to write erotica? What was that trigger
(16:45) Trust can be fully scary when someone has power over you
(17:29) Do you have a favorite character or story or book that you have created
(25:34) been writing fiction since he was in the military
(30:23) I think books reflect our culture, which also shapes us
(34:11) What do you consider success for yourself as an author
(39:47) You learn from mistakes and you keep moving on. Same thing with success. The good stuff and the bad stuff, it's just data
(41:08) What's a typical writing session for you? It varies widely
(44:31) I'm currently in the kind of slump.
(51:30) Do you have short term and long term goals for writing
(57:52) Covid: I read 200 romance novels in 2021
(01:02:39) Knowing your niche is important when writing a book
(01:14:07) Do you have any other advice for people who want to write erotica

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Transcript

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Season 4, Episode 434:
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Ruan Willow talks about sex and sexuality on today's podcast

>> Ruan Willow: Ruan Willow podcast. I'm excited you're here. You know, I'm excited every time you listen to me. I have an erotica author today, and I'm going to read an excerpt from his book a Hot Wife Spring Training, which is a part of the ultimate Hotwife spring collaboration, which you can find on Amazon. And the links will be down in the podcast show notes. You can find links to my new books down the podcast show notes. I do have a new one out in pre sale. It's part of my Hotwife series that I am writing right now, and this one's really. It's really very fun. So my storyline, is all about servicing the workmen that come to the house. And Lainey is a new hot wife, and John is setting up all these experiences for her. And he's the director. He's definitely not a cuck.

>> Ruan Willow: He's a dominant, and he just loves sharing his wife servicing the college fence builders in age gap. Hot wife story. Okay, this is so fucking hot. So there's five college men who are coming to fix a fence, and Lainey is going to be a worker, although her uniform's a little skimpy, but she's going to help them. They're going to flirt and have fun all day long, and then they play a game, and in the end, I sent rg baby. Okay, so check that out. That's gonna be down in the podcast show notes, a link to that book. That is book five in my hot wife series.  https://books.ruanwillowauthor.com/servicingthecollegefencebuildersanagegaphotwifestory

>> Ruan Willow: Oh, and I forgot to say, if you're under 18, it is time to leave the podcast now, because we talk about sex and sexuality. Excerpt a hot wife spring training. Besides, you like that? I have an exhibitionistic streak. I do. We've fooled around in public, in shadowy alleys or a, dim booth at a restaurant. It never fails to turn me on with the danger of being found out and the illicit thrill of being caught. Jason loves this facet of my sexuality. He sometimes stares at me while I masturbate on her sofa rather than make out with each other. I'm, a little hot with the fantasy of someone watching me.

>> Ruin Willow: What if I watched you and someone else together?

>> Ruin Willow: He asks, and I twist toward him with a shocked expression. Im not fucking anyone on this flight. Besides you, I hiss.

>> Ruin Willow: No, not here.

>> Ruin Willow: He grins.

>> Ruin Willow: I dont mean with a, stranger either, but if its someplace safe and you know the other guy, it would excite you if I watch. Admit it.

>> Ruin Willow: My face swarms when I discern what hes asking. Its not the first time hes mentioned me in another person. I tilt my head at him. Babe, that is a hot idea, I confess, and its not surprising to him. But I dont want to do anything that could wreck what we have. I love you and I dont want to cheat on you. You know that, right?

>> Ruin Willow: Its not cheating if Im aware of it and support. Im not jealous like that, baby.

>> Ruin Willow: Jason interlocks his fingers with mine.

>> Ruin Willow: I love you and you love me. Thats not going to change. Something like this is just sex.

>> Ruin Willow: I squeeze his hand and grow quiet as I consider the idea. Its a hot fantasy for sure. My core tightens and my pussy tingles with just the thought. We arent friends with anyone id trust in Minneapolis, but I cant rule out that could happen in the future. Before I can respond, the attendant returns with two blankets and pillows. Since its so empty, were asking if you need anything to press the call button, she says. She looks at us with a knowing smile, pointing at the yellow indicator overhead and all. Youre flat, she thanks for going to fuck, I whisper to Jason.

>> Ruin Willow: she knows were going to fuck.

>> Ruin Willow: He chuckles.

>> Ruin Willow: Answer the question.

>> Ruin Willow: If its what you want. And I know the person, yes, it would be hot if you watched me fuck someone else. My cheeks are flushed when the heat rises along my neck. When were both done with our sandwiches, my panties are a mess from the series of fantasies ive been enjoying while eating. Its too bad we dont know anyone in Arizona. I crumple up my food bag and stuff it in the seat back compartment. Then I pull out one of the blankets and arrange it over our laps. Jason has a faraway look in his eyes as he finishes his sandwich. When he turns back to me, my hand is under the blanket, cupping his package. I can tell hes as aroused as I am.

>> Ruin Willow: Damn. You do like the idea of watching me fuck some rando. I coo in his ear, then nibble on his lobe. I shift and use both hands to undo his belt and pull down his zipper. Youre so fucking hard, babe.

>> Ruin Willow: Not a stranger. Someone we trust. Two someones.

>> Ruin Willow: Jason stares at me with a mischievous grin. What? Who? I ask, feeling a little lost with what hes seeing while reaching into his pants and gripping his shaft. Its stiff and warm and throbs in my hand as I start to stroke. I duck my head under the blanket, licking my lips before I kiss the top of his dick.

>> Hank Dallworth: Mmm.

>> Ruin Willow: Fuck, babe.

>> Ruin Willow: He grips my blond hair and guides my mouth where he wants me. I, lick around his crown before engulfing it. He pushes my head down and I moan as his hot, rigid cock slides over my tongue.

>> Ruin Willow: They'll be there.


I can't think straight while I'm sucking on his pole. Who will be there? I ask again

>> Ruin Willow: I can't think straight while I'm sucking on his pole. I hear his words, but that thought buzzes in the back of my mind. Keeping my hand around his shaft, I stroke and spread my spit along his length. I throw back the blanket so I can glimpse his eyes. Who will be there? I use one hand to push my panties and leggings down my waist and ass, moving my hips back and forth and pushing them down until they're at, my knees. I I Jason still stroking my hand up and down his shaft. He lifts his eyebrows and tilts his head with a smug grin. I shift, pulling one leg up and tugging my foot free. I check the cabin again, making sure no one is watching. Maybe a part of me hopes someone is as I rise, straddle Jason's thighs and glance down at him. Babe, who will be there? I ask again as I fit his swollen head against my drenched pussy lips and drag myself along his length. I emit a soft moan when he smiles at me.

>> Ruin Willow: Mister Carter and Ethan fuck.

>> Ruin Willow: I moan, hearing the names and feeling his cock stretching me inside. We lock eyes as I drop my hips, then cycle up and down, working more of him inside my pussy.

>> Ruin Willow: Youre so fucking wet, Andy.

>> Ruin Willow: Jason growls, his hands lifting under my shirt and unsnapping the front clasp of my bra. His warm hands grip my tits and I close my eyes when my pussy stretches around his cock.

>> Ruin Willow: You want to fuck them, dont you? You want to fuck my best friends.

>> Ruin Willow: Its an affirmation, not an accusation, and I nod at him. Then I twist my head, looking around, checking if anyone is aware. Im riding my boyfriends cock at 20,000ft from the back of the plane. Our flight attendant smiles at me. My mind is scrabbling with all the different things happening but I nod at Jason. I do. I want you to watch me fuck Andy, he growls. His hips punch up, slamming deeper, and my body jolts up. My eyes widened, knowing this will be quick for both of us. The attendant stares at me through a corner of the drawn curtain, watching me while my body bounces to the beat of jasons thrusts. Oh fuck babe, shes watching. I moan and glance down at him. The heat in his eyes pushes me to the brink. I bite my lips, staring at him. I'm going to come.

>> Ruin Willow: Aw shit.

>> Ruin Willow: Jason says as my pussy clamps around him, flooding him with my release. He pushes me to the side and I catch the flight attendant staring back before I'm lying on my side. He moves to his knees, his head above the seat as he slams into me, fucking me urgently. He twists his head towards a plane's rear. I can tell when he sees her because his hips slam deep and his cock throbs. His heat fills my still clenching pussy. I turn my head and scream into the seat cushion as I come. The image of her face watching my boyfriend fill me with his cum cycles in my mind. Jason's hips jerk as he chases his orgasm. By the time he slows his thrusts and leans down, covering me with his body, I'm limp. My orgasms echo through me as I angle my head, seeking the comfort of his eyes. Our lips meet, tongues tangling as we kiss, breathing and gasps until we catch our breath. We pant and I glance past him, eyes widening, as I noticed a flight attendant in the aisle. She smiles and winks, holding one finger to her lip and dropping some towels at the end of our row. That was hot, she says before returning to the back.

>> Ruin Willow: This is going to be a fun weekend.

>> Ruin Willow: Jason chuckles, shifting to sit and grabbing a towel. I can only nod in a daze as he presses a towel to my come filled pussy. My mind buzzes with the fantasy of being with his two friends and I hope that it can be real.


Rue and Willow interview Hank Dallworth with Ruin Willow podcast

Hello, this is Rue and willow with the oh, Fuck yeah.

>> Ruin Willow: With Ruin Willow podcast. I'm super excited you are here because I have another author to talk to. I absolutely adore talking to authors, other writers, people who create like I do. I love hearing their process, how they do it, how they come about it, what turns them on, what's their triggers. It's just also interesting to me because we're all little bit different, but a.

>> Ruin Willow: Little bit the same.

>> Ruin Willow: And so it's just super fun for me to talk shop with these people and introduce you to a new author that maybe you haven't come across. So this author writes erotica and erotic romance harem, which I'm curious which way the harem swings on that. I'll have to ask him that question. Mind control, hot wife and for you, stories with a thread of bdsm with Dom sub throughout, which is very close to what I like to read and write myself. And you can find him on Twitter. He has two websites read Hank dalworth.com and books. Is it jackal publishing or Jack Publishing? I don't like my Jack. Okay, Jack, I thought there was an elder and I didn't put that on my note. So I'm like, that's not right. And then also, you can find Hank Dalworth on medium. And so he posts, and you can see what he does and a little.

>> Ruin Willow: Bit of his personality.

>> Ruin Willow: He shows us as well on Twitter, which is always super fun. Welcome, Hank Dallworth.

>> Ruin Willow: I'm super excited to chat with you.

>> Hank Dallworth: I'm so glad to be here, Rowan. Thank you for having me.

>> Ruin Willow: I'm really excited to talk with you.


Which way does the harem swing for your particular topic

And so which way does the harem swing? Is that like. Which, you know, because there's different types of harems. Which way do you normally swing for that particular topic?

>> Hank Dallworth: I guess the best way is Mff. plus is the way I've seen it in different niches. It's kind of a romance for men trope, but also like a. Ah, like a lit rpg is. Is in that realm of a guy. Sometimes it's a, It's an everyman type of guy. Just a normal Joe slice of life type of stories. And then he just ends up collecting females that think. Think the world of him, and it goes from there.

>> Ruin Willow: Got it. Sounds very intriguing and sexy.


I love to start with questions about sex, because, obviously, you write

Well, I love to start with questions about sex, because, obviously, you write about sex here a little bit on some level. Okay. Talking about sex. And I love a little bit to get into that with people and see what, if anything, would you like to share about your own sexuality, kinks, fantasies, and your favorite sexual position and why. So pick what you want to talk about within that. Or you could say.

>> Hank Dallworth: I'll be a little bit upfront. I've been married for 30 years to a single wife. Well, she's just not single. She's married to me. We've had, you know, we have four children. We have, I'd say, pretty vanilla lifestyle as far as sex goes, but we enjoy being intimate. We're kind of in a renaissance period with our intimacy, so we're finding new ways to connect with that. But that does not inform necessarily what I write. I enjoy. You know, I enjoy sex. I enjoy thinking about sex. I enjoy fantasizing about sex. But that doesn't always translate directly into my. My life or my bedroom. you know, the kinks that I fantasize about go into my reading. I feel like I'm on the dominant spectrum. I enjoy the BDsm type of topics and exploring those through my writing. We tried here and there, but, it wasn't something that we both necessarily enjoyed together. So it's something that. Where my. Where my writing and my real life sexuality are little bit not the same. I think that's probably true of many people. The writing process allows us to work through our imagination. The things that are a little bit, I don't want to say unsafe, but a little bit tentative. In the real relationship, you have to work through them with communication to see where they're at. Because without really knowing in depth what that is, it could be frightening, it could be a little bit whatever, but yeah, I like the idea of a dominant submissive relationship where, and it comes from a little bit other places. It's usually male dominance, female submissive, but the parts of the dominant male types that I enjoy are those kind of daddy types that are like, they want. Their only reason is to make sure that they're submissive or their wife or their main person is, is living what they want to live, wanting to take care of them. So it's, I've read some things that's like a, now that word goes away, but the dominant, that is more of a caretaker dominant and not just, I hate to say selfish, because it comes out in different ways. The dynamic of, the dynamic of a dominant and submissive can, can play out in different ways. For my reading, again, I'm not in the lifestyle, so it's, it's imagination, a lot of things. But I, I've been in communities where people talk about this, so I think I have a fairly decent understanding of something I've never experienced.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, absolutely.

>> Hank Dallworth: Kind of like, I guess, Stephen King and murder.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes. That is, that is the exact example I bring up every time I talk about this topic. You don't have to have done what you've done, otherwise Stephen King would be a murderer, a serial killer, a freak, a, monster, and there'd be no Sci-Fi there'd be no adventure stories. These people aren't going to the moon. These people aren't living in the sky. It's ridiculous to think that you have to have done everything that you write about. And we're not writing memoir. And it also exists on a gradient, so that's why I think it's silly when people say, well, you haven't done that. How do you write it?

>> Hank Dallworth: Imagination. Absolutely, yeah. Research.

>> Hank Dallworth: And listening and, you know, having the people I used to write, and maybe we'll get into this, I used to write just totally on my own. It's in my own head. And then I, you know, I write and post. I used to be a blogger and so I write and post. And then, you know, all the grammar problems. So, when I started putting out, you know, real stories, people like, you need to work on your grandma pal, grammar pal. So I got some editors, and they kind of helped inform the storytelling. But the storytelling, for the most part, has been, up until last year, been me, just what I want to write. Then last year, I kind of branched into hot wife and free use and had some beta readers and alpha readers that some were in the lifestyle or some were adjacent to what I was writing. So it was really good to hear that perspective.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, yeah.

>> Hank Dallworth: as I write, it helps me to keep it grounded. And I'm trying to go into some different niches this year, and I need to. Sometimes you need to repractice.


You sound very similar to your process when writing erotica

Where did I find those people that helped me so much?

>> Ruin Willow: I can imagine, and I know exactly what you're saying, because in doing this podcast, I've actually talked to so many different people in different areas of lifestyle. I've talked to Onlyfans people, I've talked to people in the lifestyle. I've talked to hot wives and I've interviewed them, and it has just infused me with all this information and feelings that helps me be able to write. And, this is something I just realized recently after, you know, this is my fourth season of the podcast. I'm like, wait a minute. This is how I have these perspectives. I have had intimate conversations with all these people, and I thought, wow, it was funny that it just hit me recently that that was, you know, it's like I've been taking classes in sex and sexuality all these years just by.

>> Hank Dallworth: Talking to other people. Absolutely.

>> Ruin Willow: Doctors, sex coaches, relationship coaches, therapists. I mean, I've had them all on here, and it just, it really hit me recently, like a big avalanche. Like, wow, this has, like, set me up to be able to write so many different things. It's almost, it's crazy.

>> Hank Dallworth: You could get a doctorate.

>> Ruin Willow: It's invaluable.

>> Ruin Willow: It is invaluable.

>> Hank Dallworth: It is. I think. I think the more, you know, the better it goes. I found out this past year that I write very intuitively, which is kind of a fancy way to say, pantsing. I don't outline. I kind of have an idea of what story I want to write. I got two main characters. I don't know much about them until I start writing. And then all the stuff, my experiences, Freud call it an id, but everything that I've ever experienced or seen, watched or read kind of bubble up into the story and take their, take their place in there. And so it's, you know, I see the plotting versus panting and, and I kind of go in both places because I think about what I want to go or where I want to get there. But my characters have a totally different concept, and they'll take me places that I never would have dreamed of before I started typing.

>> Ruin Willow: You sound very similar to my process. And what I've heard other people call that is some people say, like, you're like a movie is playing in front of you. It's like a stream of conscious consciousness you're writing in. That's what I've been told, that, yeah. So that is exactly how I do it. And so I'm very, very similar to your process. Sometimes I outline, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I just have a few little pieces in my head, and then it just unfolds like a movie in front of me, and they're doing what they're doing, and sometimes I have a little bit more of an outline. So, yeah, I know exactly what you're saying.

>> Hank Dallworth: If I'm writing a romance and I've written few and they've gone off the rails, I go off a beat sheet. Like, these are the things I know I need to hit. The romancing the beat stuff, where they have their initial get together, and they have the meet cute, and then they start feeling closer and closer, and then eventually they have to hit the point where they're facing their own fears, and that tends to break them up for a bit, and then they realize that that's what they're missing. That's the whole romantic arc. So with that, I kind of plot or plan a little bit better if I know I'm going to be writing that story. But writing that a few times, that also just kind of bubbles up into erotica as well.

>> Ruin Willow: I love it. I know exactly what you're saying.


Why did you choose to write erotica? Like, what was that trigger

So why did you choose to write erotica? Like, what was that trigger where you're like this? I want to. I want to write, but I want to include the sex scene.

>> Hank Dallworth: I will say a misspent youth. M my my dad, you know, he had leftover penthouse magazines. He started handing them down to me when I was, in high school. Started high school. He's like, here, this is last month's. And then, you know, I read. I found I liked reading the penthouse form or the letters or the stories, and it came across as very, like, this was an amateur, not a professional writer, with all the stories and stuff like that. And that's kind of where I loved it. And then I started reading. Clown of the k bird was one story I read when I was a kid that was like, oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh, they're talking about sex and, an old victorian anonymous erotica that was very much bdsm. It would not be published on Amazon today because there's a lot of non con themes in it and that's kind of informed where my brain goes with it.

>> Ruin Willow: Sure.

>> Hank Dallworth: And I guess when I started writing is, let's write an erotica and see what happens. I kind of tapped into the whole penthouse form. I had a one night stand in college that I experienced in a place that I didn't live. We were on a trip to a different campus to do a competition and had a very steamy one night stand with the gal that I had never met before. And that kind of thing kind of sticks in your head. And so I'm like, let's see if I can make myself a penthouse forum type, type letter. And that grew into a longer story. My longest story, of course, I added some fictional elements and some mind control to it. I was just working out all the stuff I'd read. I used to read mind control quite a bit because it becomes very much a, I think, a male fantasy where I can do whatever I want to. But then the other part of mind control is that the power always corrupts the person, creates a love potion or suddenly can control people because he had an accident. The tropes are all over the place, but they always end up taking it beyond, into abusive, or they just take advantage of the female to a place where she's no longer the person that she was.

>> Ruin Willow: Right.

>> Hank Dallworth: And I'm like, I want my protagonist to respect who they were and the influence he might have over them, be something beneficial. So when I started writing that, my intention was to write a mind control erotica that wasn't abusive, which is, it seems a lot of the tropes and mind control end up becoming abusive, or at least exploitive.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah, I know what you're saying.

>> Hank Dallworth: And then I found out that Amazon and mind control, I want it to be consensual. But you can't, right? Mind control, by definition, is a dubious consent place.

>> Hank Dallworth: So you kind of have to back into it. It's always for mine that I've written has been like a oops. Sort of thing. Oops, looks what happened. Look what I did. I didn't mean to. So now I've got to try and fix it. And that's kind of the arcs that my mind control stuff goes to when I, when I started. I'll, probably foreshadow, when I started when I came to social media and tried to market the books I wrote. I found out a lot more about how the writing process works. How about the publishing process works? What's allowed and disallowed in places like Amazon and other places, and, you know, can't write straight. Mind control, at least it seems to go against the consent guideline or the content guidelines that handles them. And so it's like, if I can't write that, what can I write? So, it's been helpful to kind of think about that concept of consent. And I think that's something that I try to put into all my writing, is that the consent is there, it's built into the writing. Whereas my early stuff, it's kind of, like I said, it's kind of a, oops, look what I've done. Everybody's going to end up happy at the end. nobody's going to end up exploited.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah. And they're really scared for. I interviewed these two people that were really into that, and they were a couple and they were, you know, actually out doing that with other people. And there was a time, I don't even know if it is anymore, but you couldn't say hypnosis or mind control. Like that was getting them, those words were getting them shut down in different places. So they had to like, change. I think they changed their name to like mesmerize or something like that.

>> Ruin Willow: Right? Yeah.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah. Right.

>> Hank Dallworth: M. Yeah. The whole erotic hypnotism or erotic, it's hard to say mind control, but it's. It's hypnosis. It's a subconscious. It's allowing your subconscious, to rise up, I guess, and allow yourself, give you permission to experience things differently than you, your cup, your conscious mind would be comfortable with.

>> Ruin Willow: Right. And. But their point was too, I've actually interviewed a few people who are in erotic hypnosis. You still will not do something you don't want to do. You're still so. That's silly that they get freaked out. It's like they literally don't understand. It's like you're not going to become a zombie because you're hypnotized. That's just silly.

>> Hank Dallworth: We're not overriding the superego. I'm not a psychologist. I know very little. I'll misuse terms, so we'll put that out there. But, you know, there's a primitive part of us that we suppress in some ways, and that superego keeps it in tap, but we're not subverting the superego. We're not saying, hey, I'm going to program you to become, you know, born m. Whatever born is, and just start killing people.

>> Ruin Willow: We're not going to be exactly.

>> Hank Dallworth: You're not mindless. But, And that's the important thing, I think, to remember. If you're thinking about erotic hypnosis or anything like that, is it is something that you still.


The consent is still there by the person allowing themselves to be influenced by hypnotist

The consent is still there by the person allowing themselves to be influenced by a hypnotist.

>> Ruin Willow: Exactly. You're still in control on some level.

>> Hank Dallworth: You're still in control on some level. And the responsible, hypnotist is going to give you those safe words or those things that will allow you to pop yourself out of an unsafe place.

>> Ruin Willow: Absolutely. 100%. But some of these people are uneducated, and they don't think they know what they're talking about. And they put up his filters.

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah, it's a sexy thought. It's really sexy to be like, I'm totally, This isn't me. I've given over everything I have to somebody else. There's a level of. There's a full trust there, but it also can be fully scary if that person is not. You know, most of my narrators are, These words are dismissing me. If that person isn't being honest from that level of power that they've achieved, bad things can happen. I think that's something else that's worth writing about that gets lost in some of the. Well, we can't have non con or dubious con type topics within our library.

>> Ruin Willow: Right. Right.


Do you have a favorite character or story or book that you have created

So do you have a favorite character or story or book that you have created that you'd like to share with us? Sure.

>> Hank Dallworth: So we talked about Jackal Publishing is my publishing company. That comes from the first initials of my main characters in my big, long mind control story that I started with that one night stand. Jeremiah, Alyssa, Carmen, Kelly, and Lexi. They are me. I think there's part of me in each one of those. Jeremiah is the main character. Alyssa, is a very smart, intelligent woman that likes to research and find things and put connections together. Carmen is a vivacious latina that loves to cook and dance and take care of her family. Kelly is a very vivacious, sexual. She ends up. It ends up informing her character a lot more, but she just exudes this feminine sexuality, while Lexi is a physical athlete that just enjoys hard, rough. And she becomes my submissive, masochist kind of character. And Jeremiah grows into a dominant character to be able to be her master. So those are the characters that are kind of in my head in a lot of these stories. And I wrote a medium story about uses, and those four females come and kind of come alongside me while I'm kind of like, I don't know what to write. Like, well, what about this? What about this? So those are some of my famous characters, my favorite characters.

>> Ruin Willow: That sounds amazing. It sounds very interesting. So you kind of created these characters, and you're saying you kind of draw from them pieces of them for different stories?

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah. okay. The way that story started was this one night stand, and then the roommate came in and joined them, and then the lady came next door, came to them. And of course, the mind control kind of corrupted the first two. The third one became kind of their caretaker because the main character had to go away. And then he goes away, and he's freaking out, and he talks to his best friend, Melissa, who's trying to help him solve this problem. How can we get these girls back to the way they used to be, or were? And then there's, the whole question, who are they, really? And I love that I was able to explore that. I didn't plan to explore that. That's just kind of where the story went.

>> Ruin Willow: That's very intriguing.

>> Ruin Willow: It's so fun.


The one that I'm currently writing is my favorite. It stands out like that

>> Ruin Willow: You know, there's. I always ask people their favorite, and some people are like, I can't pick. Like, it's. It is hard to pick your favorite, but sometimes, some people have. It stands out like that.

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah. The one that I. That I'm currently writing is my favorite. You know, whatever, whatever story I'm currently writing, and I'm kind of in between right now.

>> Ruin Willow: Okay.

>> Hank Dallworth: Those characters are going to be the ones that I'm thinking about all the time. But I come back to those five m all the time. And when I decided to come and write a book or actually publish that book, I'm like, who's my publishing company? Hank Daworth is a name that comes from a television show that I watched. I don't want to put my personal information out there, so I'm like, what can I do? So in the book that became this jackal, incorporated, came from the story itself. I'm like, we'll make it publishing. Jack O publishing. And that's kind of been my brand since I, since I started marketing this last year. It's like, I put it in all my books to begin with. I can't remember. I can't remember if I did or not. I published, like, seven or eight books, all novel length. Erotica, which is rare to have.

>> Hank Dallworth: Most erotica is short, right? Short stories. And these are all the final four book series of Arthur legacy is almost as long as lord of the Rings.

>> Ruin Willow: Right.

>> Hank Dallworth: Which is crazy to say out loud because I wrote that much. And so, you know, I have this, this conflict within myself is. It's horrible. But I also read through it and I can't put it down when I start reading through it. Of course I wrote it. But, yeah. So, you know, that, that those five characters has definitely informed who I. Who, what I. What I am as a writer comes from them.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah. You're kind of like me. I have one book that I really don't know what to do with. It is so long. It's like 90 some thousand words. And it's a, erotic suspense. And so I know that every time I go through a book, I end up adding more words. I'm terrified. I'm like, if I go through this, am I going to add 10,000 more words? So am I going to add 15,000? And, well, how do I break it up? Could I break it up into two? I don't know. So I'm like, I don't know what to do with it.

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah, it's interesting because when I wrote this, I didn't write anything expecting to write a novel. I wrote a chapter in Literatica which ended up being maybe 5000 words. I didn't have a word topic or anything like that. And then it's like, people read it and they're like, what comes next? Because I always end on kind of a cliffhanger. So I wrote the next chapter and the next chapter, and it's kind of like in the movie Martian goes, you solve the problem, then you solve the next problem and you just keep going. And that's what that book became. And I wrote about, probably four, six months, 17 chapters in Literatka. And then I stopped writing for like three years. And then those, those four girls and that, you know, Alyssa, Carmen, Kelly and Alexi started bugging me in my dreams. Hey, don't forget about us.

>> Ruin Willow: I love it.

>> Hank Dallworth: So I picked it back up and I wrote another, a ton more words. Probably twice as many words as I wrote in the first book. And then I put it away again for three years. And then they're like, we're still here. That's the whole news story I was talking about. So I picked it up and said, okay, I got to get this to a finish.


Willow says self publishing has inspired him to write more stories

And when I was writing that, getting to a finish is when I started writing a different story, which was kind of like Alexa, but as a voice controlled mind control thing, where there's this node. Alexa, stop. Alexa, stop.

>> Ruin Willow: That's the problem with using that name. Actually use that name, too.

>> Hank Dallworth: Right.

>> Ruin Willow: Hilarious. Ah, yeah.

>> Hank Dallworth: But I thought, wouldn't it be interesting to have that? There's an old, old mind control trophy story called MasterpC, which basically gives you genie powers over anybody. You could change what they look like, change the taste, all that stuff. What if you put that into this voice controlled artificial intelligence? And that book just came out of me, and that became basics, which is my bestseller, and it's about 400 words. I'm like, and I wrote in about a month about the time of it takes the nanowrimo. Didn't plan it. It's just the same thing. I wrote the first chapter and then the next chapter and the next chapter, and when I was done, I had eight days of chapters.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah, m sure.

>> Hank Dallworth: And then someone says, and I'm like, I just can't write this anymore. I don't know. I've, lost where the story's going. And so I said, this is the end. And someone said, if you put this in a book on Amazon, I'd, buy it. I'm, like, challenge accepted. And that's what brought me into actually self publishing.

>> Ruin Willow: That's awesome. That's great. And sometimes, yeah, you don't know what to do with something, but if someone says something like that to you, it's like, well, why not try that, right?

>> Hank Dallworth: Right. Now, in my past life, I used to be a real big lost fan.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, yes, I remember that show.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah.

>> Hank Dallworth: And I ran a blog for it between the penultimate season and the final finale season, and I had five or six people that worked for me, and one now as an editor that I want to use, but she's above my price range. And another is an author. She's an irish lady, and she writes murder mystery type stories. She initially self published a book, and then she wrote a book on how to self publish, and I read those because I knew her. Right. Ah, that relationship. And then all this experience happened with me writing my own stuff, and then someone says, hey, you should self publish. I'm like, let me go back and read that. And I did a little bit of research on what that was like, but everything she said, you know, this was 15 years ago, everything she said is still true about how to get this started. The tools have improved much more than. Than they were, but it's the same. You know, I started understanding what the publishing process was I wrote technical books and, you know, users manuals and stuff like that for my professional career. I'm like, this isn't that much different. It's just fiction instead of nonfiction. And so it was a challenge. I'm like, you know, it started at the beginning of the COVID lockdown in isolation. Like, got nothing better to do, right? And I just. It really has, I don't want to say taken over, but it's inspired me to. To try and see what's here, because I can always write. I might not always be able to do the corporate gig that I have now, but what. What's going to happen when I'm 20 years old or 15 years older? I'm retired. What am I going to do with my time? Well, let's see if I can write stories. And it might not always be erotica, might be something different, but writing is writing, and I'm finding that I just fucking love it. Fucking love it.

>> Ruin Willow: I love fucking love it, too. And I write under my real name. I write. I have a blog under my real name and under Ruin Willow, and I think the same thing. I'm like, I can write the rest of my life. No matter what else is going on, I can continue to write.

>> Ruin Willow: And that is.

>> Ruin Willow: That is fucking awesome, because I love to do it.

>> Hank Dallworth: Sure. Yeah, absolutely. And then. And finding the writing community, like I said, the first ten years of eight years, I was. I was writing. I didn't lean on anybody else that actually did the same thing I did. I was kind of a lurker in some forums and stuff, listening to other authors. I'm like, someday I'd like to be like them.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah.

>> Hank Dallworth: and now I'm, you know, in the community, talk to people. I have experience in publishing. I have some success. I'm not a bestseller, but I make a good amount on a regular basis, and I'm continuing to write and release books. So it's something that's like, now I feel like I'm part of that community, and so it's really nice to come on a show like this that's part of that and be able to kind of explain my story and tell my story so other people can see it's not, you know, I didn't go to school to be a writer.

>> Ruin Willow: Right.

>> Hank Dallworth: I did, like, AP English in high school and then kind of tapped out in college. Like, I think I did one creative writing course, but I was a computer scientist, and so everything was science, technology, stuff like that.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah.

>> Hank Dallworth: But, you know, I can tell a good tale. I have a nice feel for how a story should play because I read so much too. So, yeah, that's the stuff that comes to it.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I've always been an avid reader. It seems like most people who write are people who've been, you know, somehow obsessed with writing or avid reader in some way, shape or form at some point or their entire lives.

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah.


Stephen King says if you're a writer, you're going to reader

I read as a little kid. I remember my mom saying, you need to get your nose out of the book and look out the window and enjoy the nature as we're going on. Drives through mountains up in Oregon and always had my nose in a book. So, you know, and then I got older, I had to do, I was in the navy for a bit, so when I was on watch, I was reading books. And now with ebooks and it's always on my phone, it's like I read an hour a day, continually. Not always erotica, but it's kind of like, like Stephen King says in this book, it's like if you're, if you're a writer, you're going to reader, you're a reader too. And don't just read your, what you're writing in. Right. Read other stuff.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes.

>> Hank Dallworth: And so I've taken that as, as my, okay, I'm taking writing seriously. I also need to take my reading seriously.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes, 100%. And you're just like me. When I was a kid, my sister always wanted me to play games. She was a games player and she, she would say, stop reading and play games with me. Like, she'd get mad at me. But I was always reading, and I was one of those people that I would just consume books like crazy. Even when I was in college, I might take a weekend and read an entire book and not do any homework and then just get the whole fucking thing done in one weekend. And then I'd go back to doing schoolwork. And other people are like, are you crazy?

>> Hank Dallworth: You're like, spending your time until I finish this book. You just can't do it. It's not done.

>> Ruin Willow: I know, exactly. So I like to ask this question of people because it, I don't know, I always get interesting answers. What was an early experience where you learned that language had power?

>> Hank Dallworth: I might have notes on this. I think reading as a kid, the first book that really struck me was where the redfern grows. It's about a boy, in the, I forget the mountains, but like, Arkansas backwoods country kid who saved his money so that he could buy two puppies, two hunting dogs, and, that story was about their relationship until a tragedy happened. And when that tragedy happens, and I don't want to spoil it, you know, it's been out for 40 years, so it's probably spoiled already. But when that happened, it was like it hit me. It felt real to me. It was just characters on a page, but it hit me hard. And then other stories. Island of the blue dolphins. As a kid, Scott O'Dell was a story. And then just, you know, it, got spicier and spicier. The more I read with Clam the cave bear, this other anonymous stuff, like reading erotica in men's magazines. But then also like Steve, Tom Clancy. I was in the military, so Tom Clancy and Webb Griffin wrote books about kind of being in the military. John Grisham loved his stuff. Stephen King, blow through that. Neil Stephenson, I would. And then also as a kid, I read James Michener, which is if listeners know who James Mitchener is, he wrote encyclopedias. He did not write novels. He wrote just a lot of books. Like the book Hawaii starts with the island cropping up from the bottom of the ocean and how that island is formed in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. He writes a whole chapter about that, and that's kind of again. And then he does his research because he's a historical fiction writer, so he knows the research of these places. So I feel like I know some things I don't consider myself a scholar on, like Hawaii or South Africa, but his books hit these different places that became, important. The Middle east. He wrote something called the source about, you know, around the holy lands in Israel and Palestine, which is still, you know, it informs my thoughts about that. Not that his is completely accurate, because it is a stoical fiction, but it provides some context to why this is, those places are so. And all that comes from words. To get back to your question, all those words inform kind of my worldview and what I think about. And it's always changing. And it's important to challenge those biases that we get from what we read and try and look at things from different angles.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, absolutely. I completely agree. It's interesting too, because I think books also reflect our culture, which also shapes us. And then, you know, we have to challenge our cultural beliefs as well. And like, why do I think this? Why, why do I automatically go to this thought, you know? And that's partially why, you know.

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah, you gotta be self critical. You gotta understand what biases you bring. Bias doesn't necessarily mean something is bad or good, it's just a bias. And if you could challenge that bias, you can learn a lot about yourself into why you think that way. And maybe I don't want to think that way. I want to expand my, thoughts.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah. Oh, 100%.


So what do you consider the definition of success for yourself

So what do you consider the definition.

>> Ruin Willow: Of success for yourself?

>> Hank Dallworth: So that's a great question. It used to be, like, star ratings on literature. you wanted to get that red h or a story that was rated at least 4.5. If I did that, then I considered that a good story, and I was successful enough. All of my books aren't there anymore, but I had, like, 50 stories on there, and 47 had had the red h. Ah. So I'm like, yeah.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, nice.

>> Hank Dallworth: I'm a good writer. and going to self publishing now, it's kind of like putting a dollar sign to it. Can I make, can I make income from this enough to sustain my lifestyle, not take over? I can't. No way. am I without, like, something drastic happening? Am I going to make what I make as a professional doing writing? I'd like to be a professional writer. I'm not there yet. Keep practicing. But you know, that money, that dollar sign is something that is important to me because I want to see this as something, as a secondary income at retirement. So I want to. So I want to know that I can make those books that are, that sell and not just books that I've written. So I've changed from, oh, can I write? To can I write successfully financially? But there's also, there's always that, you get a 3.0 rating in Amazon book. What have I done wrong? Obviously. So it's something I have to watch out for, too. I'm lucky, blessed, whatever you want to say that most of my books are above a four rating.

>> Ruin Willow: That's good.

>> Hank Dallworth: And, ah, that's over a long period of time. So I feel like, at least with the readers that read my books, I'm connecting some way with them. And I think that's the important part. As an author, am I connecting with my readers?

>> Ruin Willow: Absolutely. But, and also I really learned you can't please everyone, and you can be the biggest name out there. There are people who don't like Stephen King. There are people who don't like these, giant names, Nora Roberts, whatever. You know, there's people out there who don't like them. So you can't internalize that. You just have to be okay. I'm not their flavor, right?

>> Hank Dallworth: That's one of the things I got with with doing some, some arcs through book sprout. I started, you know, doing a pre order, giving enough time so I could have readers read it before it published. And you want to put in there, this is a spicy book, because if someone picks up one of my books thinking, oh, this sounds fun, and then all of a sudden, you know, she's bent over a chair getting whammed, right? Like, oh, I didn't quite expect that. I still get that sometimes, but I always put that as an expectation in there. And it's fine if that's not, it's not your jam. It's not your jam. Carry on. It's fine if you don't finish one of my books because it's not what you like. I'm writing it in a lot of places. I'm writing it for me, it's, it's the things that I like to read, but I also want to hit the people that I'm targeting. When I first started writing, it was like, this is what I want to read. I liked the mind control niche, but nobody was writing what I wanted to read. So that's what I wrote. Now I'm kind of getting understanding of what these different niches are. So I'm trying to hit, trying to find the stories that connect with those readers. And you can branch that in a lot of ways because the harem audience, for example, where you got one man and many females.

>> Hank Dallworth: Don't necessarily mesh with a hot wife audience, which has one female, lots of different males. They're opposites. And so with your writing, if you're writing those two things within the same pen name, you can end up splitting your audience, and then your audience gets disconnected and blocks. They'll read this hair, and this is great. Then they'll pick up, you know, fantasy unlimited and go, what the fuck is happening?

>> Ruin Willow: Right.

>> Hank Dallworth: So, yeah, ah, I'm becoming more sensitive that I'm writing to an audience and not just what I want to write.

>> Ruin Willow: Right, right. And I think the big key for people is don't let those negative things shape you or stop you. You know, sometimes you do just have to, like, know, say, okay, and move on and keep going. You know, just keep swimming. Like, what is that dory? Was that from the movie? Yeah, just keep swimming. Whatever I can. Whichever character says that, just keep swimming.

>> Hank Dallworth: It was Dory and the, the movie was Nemo.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, yeah, Nemo. Yeah, that's it.

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah. So you got it. That's, you know, Pixar movies are great examples of good stories. They are, they they write wonderful stories, but that's, you know, hitting what the audience is expecting is part of being an author. I think I'm maturing into that place is like, I need to find at first, it's like, who is my audience? When I first published, I'm like, hm, anytime you publish, you get that little burst of stuff. And that along plateau. And after I published the first eight books, I didn't write again for over a year. And I'm like, and so, you know, you look at your KDP and it's. Nobody read any pages today. And then somebody reads a page and like, hey, look at that. And then they're like, like five pages, they stop and like, oh, shit, they hit someplace. I don't like these stories we tell. We need to always remember that. I think you're right. It's like, don't let negative comments, or negative thoughts necessarily influence your process. It's just more data.


You have to remember that success is just data. The good stuff and the bad stuff, it's just data

Yeah, that might not work. Same thing with success. You know, five stars, tons of reads, lots of orders. All that means is that you hit something. Can you duplicate that? Can you write the next one that same way? And it's all information or data that goes back into your process. And when I personalize that, like, oh, they hate me now, that's not good for my process. So I have to remember to take it all worth a grain of salt. The good stuff and the bad stuff, it's just data, right?

>> Ruin Willow: And sometimes you might write something that misses and you might use a few readers. Oh, well, just keep swimming and do it again. You know, maybe we'll direct.

>> Hank Dallworth: Learn from that lesson. Right? You know that one of my favorite movies is the Martian? My kids tease me on it because I see it on, like, Amazon. Hey, have you guys watched the Martian? Like, oh, no, dad, should we watch it? It's a, it's a great example of that, where mistake happens and you learn from it. You keep moving. You just have to keep moving or keep swimming. As.

>> Ruin Willow: As dory says, it doesn't define you. And don't let it.

>> Hank Dallworth: No, you're, you're. You're above that. Sure, it's something that you've created, but you can create something else, right?

>> Ruin Willow: If you're a storyteller, you're a storyteller and do it.

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah, exactly.

>> Hank Dallworth: Oh, see, this is all encouraging me.

>> Ruin Willow: Thank you. I love it.


So what's a typical writing session for you?

So what's a typical writing session for you? Like, I have some people that come on are like, oh, I need these certain pretzels. I need rock music. I need silence. Do you have any, like, you know, little interest, intricacies? I have a hard time saying that. Or things that you like, require or need or that are just your comfort level to help you write.

>> Hank Dallworth: I, think for me it varies largely, I would say boredom with what's currently happening in my life is a big instigator for me to sit down and start writing something in the last year. I said, okay, you're a writer. You need to spend some time writing. And so I created the kind of routines in my writing. I run a discord for other authors that are people that want to write. You know, not necessarily erotica or romance, but we're there and we support each other and we ask questions. And I try to help with marketing because I've learned a lot about that in a year. Some know just as much as I do and tell me a different story. So we learn from each other, and that's important thing to it. But on that discord, we started having nightly sprints, sure, where four or five people get in and then we start a sprint for 15 minutes or write madly for 15 minutes. At the end of that, it tells you how many words you wrote and then you can make it kind of a game competition. I got 50 more words than you do, or you really nailed me that time. And that's been something that's been helpful for me, just to force myself to put words in because I tend to be kind of perfectionist. If I'm reading and writing at the same time and if it's not making sense, I get frustrated with it. And, my process needs to be put the words in, write it. You can go back and fix it in the edit in the next draft.

>> Ruin Willow: Exactly.

>> Hank Dallworth: And it doesn't have to be like, I need to finish the whole story. One chapter is enough to go back and edit and fix and do that. And when I started doing this last year, I realized that's what I was doing all the time, was I'd write so much, consider it, so I could get it out there and publish. And it was, maybe 5000 words per chapter or so. And that's enough to kind of like, get an idea where you're at. And then you go through an editing process and you fix it up and you publish it. And then you start reading. In the middle of that, you're writing the next part and. Next part.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah. Yep.

>> Hank Dallworth: So you know that repetition is good, but like, if I'm getting ready for a sprint, I'm hitting. I used to listen to down with the sickness would be my amp up song. something to kind of kick you off and put you in. Something regular to kind of kick you off and put you in the place. Like, I'm going to put words in. And now. Now I also like middle of the day. My story comes to me, and I'm like, okay, let's open up scrivener. Let's get some words into someplace.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah.

>> Hank Dallworth: Ah, I also do this thing on medium. My medium is a lot of micro fiction, and I get some prompt. I did it for a while. I'm like, hey, people give me five random words. I get five different people give me a random word, and I'd write 500 words against it. I didn't know what I was going to write. It was just something that kind of triggered my creativity. Sometimes it would spicy, sometimes it wouldn't be, sometimes would be autographical, sometimes emotive. But it was something to at least get me going. I can write 500 words. It's about 20 minutes, half an hour of writing. Do that anytime. And if you have that kind of idea that I can always write, it doesn't have to be in your story, but it starts the connections going. And so that's a good routine to get into as well. A routine I probably need to get back into.


I'm currently in the kind of slump. I wouldn't say I'm blocked

I'm currently in the kind of slump. I, ah, wouldn't say I'm blocked, but I'm just kind of like, the ideas don't seem to be there. and I have too many projects I've got going at the same time. Which one do I want to pick up and write? And that, that kind of, you know, decision for analysis process. Which book do I want to write? You just can't. Just, just, I need to tell myself. So I'm preaching to myself, just write.

>> Ruin Willow: Pick one.

>> Hank Dallworth: Pick one and write in it. You might throw away all those words away, but there might be something that comes up that triggers something.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah, I love that. you can't edit a blank page.

>> Hank Dallworth: So that's a great, that's a great, yeah, I agree with that, too. Sometimes I'll be like, yeah, you can or something. But, yeah, you have to get the words in. If you're not getting the words in, there's not going to be anything coming. So, you know, I'm kind of in this place. Like, I've been in this kind of lull, and I'm like, if I don't get a story out, everything's going to stop. And that's a fear. Right. but everything's going to stop. Everybody will hate me. I get. And that's the poisonous talk that comes out. And, the. The solution to that is, you know, write. That's what you say you are. That's what you say your character is. Mister Dalworth. You should write some, maybe.

>> Ruin Willow: Exactly. And sometimes when you might be, like, slow to start, but once you get in there and you're doing that or you have these prompts, it can just launch you.

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah. There's several stories in, like, backlog that I, that got came from some of these micro fiction stuff that I wrote.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah.

>> Hank Dallworth: That I want to kind of stitch together and see what's there because they're good parts to it, but I have to build the connective tissue. And that's a difference from my style as a pantser that I start with. Okay, here's a story. Let's find out who's in it. That sort of intuitive stuff. Now I've got characters. I've got to write around it. I think it's a good exercise to do something that's kind of outside my comfort zone like that.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, yeah. Yeah. One of my favorite comments that I've gotten from someone is like, it was a short story, and they're like, this could be an entire book. And, you know, like, it's the start of a book. And I'm like, these short stories I write, I think that, too. I'm like, gosh, this would make a good book. But you can't write everything. You do have to pick and choose what you're going to write because you only have so much time. But, you know, sometimes I'm like, well, I could go back to that someday and I could expand that into a book.

>> Hank Dallworth: Absolutely. I think there's a lot of my m in my leftover 500 words that I kind of get to the point where I've got two characters kind of defined. They've having an interaction, they're having a conversation. Something happens. Like I said, sometimes it's spicy, sometimes it's not. But I think I go back and mine those into, yeah, this can be an interesting story to write. I wrote a small one on this. This two space explorers, like, they're, they're out in a ship, and they had a, mandatory wake up time because they had to, you know, I don't even know this when I start writing it. Right. But it's like the mandatory wake up time so they can move around in artificial gravity and keep in physical shape before they go for another sleep period.

>> Ruin Willow: Right.

>> Hank Dallworth: That's a good kind of setting, right? You can write a story about that. They have written stories about that. It's the whole, what's wrong with Jennifer? They're in my head, the guy. But, you know, it's like they wake up on the ship and then they're the only people awake. What do they got to do? So, you know, those types of things. Like I said, they're in my intuition somewhere and they bubble up. But I could take any of those and kind of write something more around it.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, yeah, for sure.


Do you feel you start with your characters or your platform?

So we've kind of touched on this a little bit. But do you feel you start with your characters or your platform? And we've kind of danced around this a little bit. And you talked about being a pantser.

>> Hank Dallworth: A pantser. So, obviously there needs to be characters. Obviously there needs to be a setting. Obviously there needs to be some sort of conflict or a plot to develop. But sometimes I don't know what they are until I start writing. A, good example. Last year I wrote this series that ended up being called Fantasy Unlimited. It was a free use. Somebody challenged me, can you write free use? Because I couldn't write mind control anymore. So can you write free use? I'm like, okay, let's think about this. What's it for use? So we kind of talked about it. She was helping me. And it's like, okay, he's a business traveler, and he stops at this new, he ends up having to go to this new membership resort, and because of some foul up in his regular process, he's granted a premium level access. And that comes with free use of a hostess for his business trip.

>> Ruin Willow: Gotcha.

>> Hank Dallworth: And that was kind of the setup for it. Now, who are my characters? And you know, that that happened. And she goes, you need to write 4000 words to have a reader magnet. But I'll call it out. Lacy Cross told me to write this 4000 word reader magnet.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, sure.

>> Hank Dallworth: And m so I did. She goes, okay, now you need to take that and write the story. So it was very helpful for me to get kind of that, that grasp of, here's the, the plot. And you don't know who your character. I don't know who my characters are. The plotter is going to go, okay, I've got Brandon. He's a businessman. He's a, I just got a name. Brandon. Why'd I pick Brandon? I don't know. He meets somebody at the front desk. Her name's Kirsten. Why Kirsten? Kirsten Alley. No, that's not, I don't know, that's her name. He's married to a lady named Megan. Why Megan? No clue. Don't know. But you know, in that 1st, 1st book from there, those three characters start interacting together and that builds them into, you know, I wouldn't say the brand had, you know, I could kind of give him some looks, but I didn't know what, what he was, who he was, what he would do and then find out, oh, he's got an open marriage with Megan because she likes to go around since he's on the road all along. She's kind of a hot wife and she plays around with the help while he's gone and then tells them all about it. So now it's an open marriage. I find this stuff out by writing it. I don't plot it out at the beginning, so the story and the characters kind of happen simultaneously as I start putting down words.

>> Ruin Willow: I totally know what you're saying. Yeah. It's like a movie's playing and the characters are telling you it's just somehow happening and it just meshes together. Like, I know exactly what you're saying.

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah. Some of the best kind of twists in my story are the characters rebelling over where I want to take the story.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh yeah. Sure.

>> Hank Dallworth: I want to go this direction and they do not let me go down that way. And it's like you're the author, you're kind of in charge, like, yeah, no, I'm not.

>> Ruin Willow: No.

>> Hank Dallworth: These people that I've just sprung from my imagination have their own agenda. and I'm just automatically writing, as you say, as the movie plays out, I'm just describing what's there.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah. Oh, it's so much fun. I love it.


Do you have short term and long term goals for writing

So what are you working on now? And do you have short term and long term goals for writing?

>> Hank Dallworth: goals. It's one of those things. As intuitive writers, sometimes goals can be blockers because if I start seeing the evidence that my goals aren't being met, I would like to have a new book out monthly. If I'm writing longer books, that becomes harder. And I also now have another secret pen name that writes cheating stories. I have two other pen names besides Hank. Hank's going to be focusing only on free use and hot wife. And there's some collaborations that I'm a part of. So I know I'm going to be writing summertime hot wife. I'm going to read like a late spring free use stories that I have to figure out what they're going to be. But those are some goals my personal goals. My next pen name is Mac Landry. He's going to write the men's fantasy, slice, of life, harem type things. I've got three stories. I've got one that's in the editing process now, proofreading process that I hope to release in next month or so. I've got two more that I have about 10,000 words in. I want to try and get those to 20,000 words before I release, where my, my hot wife and free use. I do ten to twelve, generally. Sometimes it'll stretch to 15 if the story gets out of control. And then I also want to write my third Drake storm as my third pen. I want to write some romances. I want to follow on to driven that. I have germ of the story there, don't know what's there. I need to get back to that. And I want to write this micro fiction romance and weave it into a short romance, about ten to 20,000 words. And I want that to grow into, like, a five book series.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, sure.

>> Hank Dallworth: Which, for a pantser like me, which doesn't know who my characters are when I write the first word becomes a challenge, because now I got to be like, okay, who are these people? I got to weave them in the story, because as you're writing these chained romances, you got to introduce book two and book one, if not all five characters that you're going to writing in book one. And if I don't know what book one is, that's going to be a challenge. So you have to kind of weave in these, these people as you go.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, yeah, for sure.

>> Hank Dallworth: So that's, you know, my goal is, let's try and get a book out a month. Two would be great. you know, one could be a really short, quick cheating story or short, quick, free use story. I have some places where I could do that, but let's also do that short romance. Let's do that longer men's fantasy fiction. Let's see if we can get something working in the, in the harem space where. Where I have a whole bunch of words with that, but they're kind of mismarketed. So can I, you know, then that's the challenge for me as a goal as well as can I redirect that into the correct market because they make good. It's hard to say where my audience comes from. You don't get enough data from where you're at to like where it's coming from. But as I started writing more, my books started being read more. Even the books that had been out for over a year or so. So did they come from the new books or did just writing the new books bring up this other book? And then there's the whole social media promotion. Hey, I got this book out. Go read it. Does that help? Newsletters. Put my old stuff in newsletters. That helps. Using promotions, free promotions, group promotions, getting those out into new readers, seeing new covers, making them hit. As far as the passive marketing goes in books, that all helps.


Finding your audience is something that can be difficult in contemporary romance

So finding your audience is something. A lot of that is kind of the same thing as panting versus plotting. The plotter is going to say, this is the audience I'm writing to. I know who that typical reader is. I know what they like, what they want, and I'm going to write to that. I can't do that. I'm, on the other side. It's like, these books are here. How do I find my audience now that they're there? How do I build the audience now that I'm there? And that's where tools like promotions and newsletters and just kind of talking about it can help. And can I split that up into three different Personas? That would be a challenge for the next year or so? Right now, all of those names are Hank M. How can I split them apart into three specific Personas that aren't necessarily connected?

>> Ruin Willow: Right.

>> Hank Dallworth: you know, there are three authors. They all write for jack of publishing, but they're three different entities. Can I make that work? So those are kind of the challenges that are longer term, what does that look like? And longer term, I'd like to write like a traditional contemporary romance. I write sex. That is the thing I write. So when I write a romance, they jump into bed early, they stay in bed often, and that's where it goes. But if I really wanted to write contemporary romance, you gotta build that slow burn. Yeah, you gotta draw it out. And when they hop in the sheets, that's gonna be the part where I just like, here we go. But I also kind of have to draw that back because where I go really explicit, the niche, the expectation is that, yeah, the door's open, we're seeing what's happening, but that's not the focus of the story. The focus is the emotional play.

>> Ruin Willow: Right.

>> Hank Dallworth: And whether that emotion plays out for a female audience or a male audience, there's still that kind of slow burn built into it.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah, you kind of have to have your mindset the right way because, yeah, romance is very different. And, you know, it's, I've done it a couple of times where I've gone back and romance and it like, hurts. I'm like, no, I want them to fuck.

>> Hank Dallworth: They want to fuck. Let them, fuck, man. And, you know, we do these sprints and the romance writers are writing four or 500 words a bit. Then they come to the sex parts and it's like they slow down and I hit the sex parts and I speed up 500, 600 words in 15 minutes. It's easy because just the repetition of writing, so much for literatica. Every chapter, you know, every three pages, there had to be a sex scene. That was the expectation. And I'm like, I don't want to necessarily write that. But there's part of that process when you're writing in that space, you're like, that's what they expect. If you don't do that, they're not going to read you. I never tested that to see if that was true or not, but that's what my bias was. So I wrote sex and I wrote a lot of it and I'm good at it, right?

>> Ruin Willow: I totally get it. I'm now to the point now where I hate reading those books where like, it was the entire book, all this angst and all this emotions. And then, they just kissed. I'm like, no, you gotta far just killing me.

>> Hank Dallworth: When I, when I got done, I published those books, right? I published the first set and I'm like, okay, next I'm gonna write a romance m novel. Because the stuff I read in like Reddits and stuff was like, you want to make money? Write a romance novel. Okay, challenge accepted. So I wrote a romance novel. That was my book, Belinda. It's a paranormal romance which turns into a polycule at the end. So that's not really a romance book, right? The romance book is male, female all the way to the end. But at the end it kind of lost track and everybody just jumped into bed. But, you know, so I'm like, okay, I need to read more of this. So I read 200 romance novels. Oh, my God, 2021.

>> Ruin Willow: That is a lot.

>> Hank Dallworth: That is a lot. I was reading sometimes two, sometimes three a day. And these are not, you know, the 2500 word books that we write as erotica people. Sometimes these were, you know, 2300 page books that I was just consuming. You know, early COVID, you had a lot of free time. And I spent that free time reading, you know, I also traveled some. So I was on the plane reading, reading, reading. But those 200 romance novels, I kind of get what the romance arc is. But one of the first ones I read was just full of angst, and it was a darker romance and had bdsm because I. I like writing bdsm. M. I'm going to write a novel. This has bdsm in it. I'm going to write a romance that's going to have some sort of dominant, submissive thing in it. And that's okay because that's an expectation. A lot of times, in parts of that niche is that sort of story. So I'm like, those are the stories I was writing. A dominant male, submissive female. Sometimes it could switch, but for the most part, those beats were built into it. But this one book, I couldn't put it down, but I hated reading it because it was so intensely dark.

>> Ruin Willow: Sure, sure.

>> Hank Dallworth: And you're thinking, this is. I bought this as a romance novel. It's gonna have a happy ending. I have to get the. But there's the junk I had to read through to get to that happy ending. But it was well done. But I want. I'm a happy guy, right? I want people to be happy. But at the same time, in order for that arc to work for romance, those characters need to realize they have a whole hole. They're missing something.


The sex and the emotions go hand in hand when writing erotica

Yes, they're both missing something. And in the romance arc, in that. In this fantasy that we're writing, this fiction that they're writing, those two characters holes are filled by the other, and that's the story we're writing. The holes can be different shapes. They can be different to that stuff. But in the end, when you get that happy ending, those holes are filled by the other person, right?

>> Ruin Willow: Yep.

>> Hank Dallworth: And so that's where, you know, that's where I try to write when I'm writing that. And I found that as I'm writing all this just muddy erotica, I'm building that same sort of thing into the books. Like my hot wife. My wife and my husband grow closer through her hot, life experiences, my free use. They grow closer, they get connected, because now they've let God let go of the. Their hands back. I can't be with this person because of reasons. But now we're free use, we can explore the sexuality side. and that brings emotions in with it. So those are the stories that interest me.

>> Ruin Willow: And I think it's interesting. Like, there's some people out there who, like, look down on erotica and think that sex scene is just a sex scene. I'm like, no, this is when people are so intimate, they're so vulnerable. You can learn a lot about people while they're having sex and characters. So it is not true. And, I think it's a bias that some people have.

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah, I think for me, it's easy to say because I write erotica, but the sex and the emotions go hand in hand. Having emotions without, sex for my types of stories is really hard to write because the physicality that those characters have, that I have need to have the physicality in for the emotions to really connect. And then there's, you know, there's always the characters that are like, trying to not do that. They've had some trauma. And, that real deep, intimate connection that you get through a physical connection, scares them. And that's an interesting thing to write about, too.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.


Knowing your niche is important when you're writing erotica

So what's one thing you wish you had known that, you know, now when you began writing erotica?

>> Hank Dallworth: Know what your niche is, what the niche expectations are. Do your research, I guess, is the better way of putting that. and I did research for romance. I've written two, one and a half romances. That's where I would like to see my writing go. But that's a long burn, because not only is it a longer story, it takes longer to write. And with any type of publishing, the more you publish, the better your numbers are. So how can I write those longer books while still ticking the boxes for that faster iterations? And that's a challenge because you got to put that, that book that might really be interesting, kind of on the back burner. So you can write these 5000 word, just getting NASA stuff in there, but you have to know what those niches are. like I said when I wrote, I didn't know any topic of a niche. I read the subreddit on erotic authors and it talked about know what you're going to write. But they came up with this like, weird niche, like, shifter breeder, lactation romance. It's like, what, who's, what's reading that? But then, you know, they're just making an example so they can walk through the whole process of, the publishing process, not just writing the story, the story is going to be written, but you have to be able to market that story if you're going to make any money. And to be able to market the story, you have to know what that niche is. So they begin with, you know, that's the Stephen Covey begin with the end in mind. What book am I going to write? What's it going to look like that's going to inform your cover, your blurb all the stuff that's going to make your book marketable. And then you got to write the book to meet those. Goes back into my big planning freezing thing. If I did all that stuff at the front, I'm not going to write that when I write it, but it's stuff you have to consider. Knowing your niche is important. What are the people you're aiming for, that audience you're aiming for? What do they expect when they pick up your book?

>> Ruin Willow: Right?

>> Hank Dallworth: Is your cover meeting it? Are your keywords that you have in there? Does that meet the niche? Does your blurb hit that niche? And they're like, yeah, this is what I want to read. Doesn't matter if it's a short erotica or a long romance or historical fiction, all those things are still true.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah, I totally agree. You do have to know. And one way people feel like, well, how do I do that? Well, you can read people, you know, like, just get the books and read them. Right. That's one way to learn.

>> Hank Dallworth: You need to read it and you need to write it. I mean, it's okay.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes.

>> Hank Dallworth: One thing that I learned, in my experience is I wrote those first date books and I put it out there and then it just died. Like M died on the vine because I didn't do anything more. And publisher perish is something that's true, but it doesn't mean you look at your statue. This is going to be horrible. I brought it back to life just by working at it. M. Those books are still, are now making money, right. You know, basics is still my bestseller. There's one book I wrote that I didn't even plan on writing. My free use stowaway was just something I wrote on medium. Just connecting a bunch rough sex scenes with the. With a girl that was trying to. To not get thrown in jail for storing a weighing on a boat. I wrote that in medium over maybe four or five weeks. And then I published it. And then I ended up really hitting on the, on the, on the COVID The blurb was good. And then when I gave a whole bunch of away free, that book blew up. It was so there's. There's never a place where you're like, this book is just not going to work. You can remold it, you can reframe it. Yes, it's okay. It's an ebook, so you could recover it. You could make it look completely different. You can change all the passive marketing with it. Where it gets difficult is you start doing these like, I want to write. This is what I did with my first eight books, which is going to make the next parts of my story difficult. As I put Hank Dalworth as the author on a paperback.

>> Hank Dallworth: And you put it on a paperback and that's the author. Now, that book exists in physical space because they printed it. So you're always going to be, that book is always going to be written by Hank Dalworth. If you're not going to print, you could do whatever you want to.

>> Ruin Willow: That's true.

>> Hank Dallworth: The story doesn't have to necessarily be what you think it is. You can shift it. And I think that's something some people think don't necessarily connect with. All of this is kind of fungible. You're not hitting in that niche. Maybe there's a niche that there is. Maybe you need to do some more research. Maybe you need to spice up your cover. Maybe you need to invest in a cover. Most of my covers I've either designed myself, redesigned myself, learned as I went, and I've also had some that I've had help with my pa that helps me with marketing and advertising. She's also a cover designer, and so she's designed a lot of my paperback covers that just look beautiful and big credit to her. Katherine Anderson, also known as Olive Spencer. Name drop.

>> Ruin Willow: Okay, sure. Absolutely. Oh, yes.


There's a long tail of independent writers out there. Glenn Reynolds writes about it

And speaking of name dropping, you have, like, some people that have influenced you with regards to your writing that you'd like to mention or that have, you know, just been there for you or you would like to recommend.

>> Hank Dallworth: So a big help for me has been lacy cross. She's kind of, I don't know if she took me under her wing or she just got tired of me asking questions and say, look, hank, this is what you need to do. I got connected to her from Karen Heslop on Twitter. She writes as Rhiann Burnett and Lila wet. She's like, hey, you should come join this discord, which was run by Kirsten Lance or Kristen Lance, not kirsten.

>> Ruin Willow: Yep. Right.

>> Hank Dallworth: Their discord has been helpful. And that connected me with another writer, Steph brothers. She writes age gap. everything she's written or the Steph brothers has written has been just, I just connect with her writing very well.

>> Ruin Willow: Sure.

>> Hank Dallworth: And then in my discord, I work with Meg Becker, Eliza Black, Olive Spencer, more the spicy romance side. Ian Snow from Twitter. He joined my discord, and he writes Milf fantasies, harem fantasies, dark cook, old type stuff. Alec Lake was a big influence when I started trying to figure out what, what free use meant. Now he's doing Matt Lake, Thea Landon. She writes Sci-Fi romance stuff, but she's, you know, I followed her on Twitter. We poke at each other on Twitter. She's been a big help. And then there's lots of others that are, are up and coming in medium and other places. Wren, let's just call her Wren. She's on Twitter. There's a lot of people in there that, especially being in a writing community, like the discord that I'm in for promoting erotica, the IAA discord writing community is huge. It's too big for me to kind of grasp. But if you're a writer out there and like, hey, I want, I want to learn better, join IA and just start messing around and seeing what's there. You know, the Twitter. Twitter spicy Twite, spicy writer community on Twitter is hugely helpful. Some of them write in medium exclusively. Some of them write, you know, books exclusively. But they're all a great, encouraging place. And what I love about it is that, nobody owns anything. They want to help everybody. Everybody is a helper with that. And that's something that's part of my philosophy, too, is like, I'm going to give. I'd love to give you advice, and you can take it or leave it, but I want to help you, because helping, helping the independent writers, independent authors community is going to help everybody.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, for sure. Yeah. You know, and we are living in an amazing time in history. Never before have storyteller tellers, writers, authors been able to create, create this much and disseminate it this far. It's never happened. We're living in a very unique time, and we're very, I feel very fortunate.

>> Hank Dallworth: I grew up, you know, with PCs at the start of the pc generation, bulletin boards and blogs and the dissemination of information, kind of the decentralization and disruption of the main media pillars. And that's ongoing, right? Oh, yeah. No longer do you need to get an agent and write for random houses to get your book out there and get readers. There's a long tail that's out there. Glenn Reynolds writes for the blog instapundant, and he wrote a book about the long tail, which is about, you have the bulk of the people, but with a random sampling or a bell curve, you got the edges that end up being big. If it's got a big, huge thing, those edges are also very important. So that long tail is where we live as independent writers, and that's the people. We're mining for eyeballs to see our stories. And that's a significant part that usually just gets left on the mill floor and we'll sweep it up and put it in the garbage. There's wonderful things there that the independent author, independent writer community is developing and building audiences and that helps everybody. That helps Amazon, that helps smash words, that helps, Barnes and noble. The more, you know, books used to be a very cloistered thing, a very rich person thing.

>> Ruin Willow: Yep.

>> Hank Dallworth: It's not.

>> Ruin Willow: No, it's not.

>> Hank Dallworth: And it's like, put your book, your workers out there, put one out there and just say, this is free. Come get it. It's not going to hurt you.

>> Ruin Willow: No.

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah, I used to have this thing like, hey, I wrote it, I'm going to get something from it. And now there's some books. I'm like, no, I want this to be ready. I don't need to make a book on this, so I might shift it to free. It doesn't have to stay free, but get it out there. Let people, let people experience a new universe that you've created and see what's there.

>> Ruin Willow: I think someone told me the story once. I think it was misses field's cookies. But the way they got started is they gave their cookies away for free. All the time.

>> Hank Dallworth: Yeah, all the time. I mean that. Go anywhere. Go to any department store. Go to Costco or Sam's club. What are they giving away? Free food. You can have lunch just roaming the aisles in those places. So you know that that is a loss leader marketing. I'm not a marketer, but there's a, the reason people do it is because it works.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes, exactly. And what do people do? Sometimes they go to the store when they know the samples are out. That is a draw.

>> Hank Dallworth: You know, write that 5000 word introduction to your book and put it out there for free. And let's people with newsletters grab it and put it in their thing. That will help you. It will just, there's nothing but help there. Even if your book isn't great, even if your story isn't great, even if people read and go, eh, you'll learn something in that process. But more likely what you'll find is your audience, the more you do it.


Do you have any other advice for people who want to write erotica

>> Ruin Willow: Do you have any other advice for people who want to write or want to write erotica?

>> Hank Dallworth: Finish the book. I get so wrapped up sometimes in my own mind with, okay, how am I going to market this? How am I going to make people read it? How am I going to. I have to write the book before I can sell anything. I have to write it. So finish it. Don't get to 80% and say, okay, now what's the next step? Get to 100% and then worry about what the next step is. Better yet, get to 100% in one book and 50% in the next book and 25% in the book after that. And then start thinking about how you're going to sell it, because this is how that works. You sell one book and you go, oh, look at that, it's great. But if you don't have two more books queued up behind that, it's going to drop off. So you want to finish a book and you want to get a backlog going. The quicker you can do that, the easier your path will be. But you have to finish a book.

>> Ruin Willow: It needs to exist.

>> Hank Dallworth: It needs to exist. You've spoken it into some sort of existence because there's now a draft. Get it to a final draft. It does not have to be perfect. The perfection in my mind is the enemy of the good. Good enough is what you're looking for. You just want it good because you.

>> Ruin Willow: Can reason by that, you know, like, oh, it's not quite perfect yet. I need to do one, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, just get it out there.

>> Hank Dallworth: Just get it, get to the end, find the path and get to the, get to the ending. Because every book has an ending and.

>> Ruin Willow: If you get it out there and there's errors, you can fix it.

>> Hank Dallworth: That's the great thing about ebooks too, is not, I'm not spending a lot of money to type a lot of words and put ink on a page. This is all fungible and you can fix it. And, you know, I take my book and I edit it and I go through, I use Grammarly for my first draft editing. I go to auto crick and it finds stuff like multiple words and things that I get repetitive with and helps me weed those out. And then I self edit and go back and read through it and listen to it in my mind and make edits and I give it to a proofreader and she goes and proofreads my book and finds errors and shows it to me. And I go to my arc readers and they find stuff that neither one of us have found. Neither of my social, intelligent people, everything has an errand, so don't let that be an issue. Someone says, hey, you got this bad word on page 13, paragraph two. Thank you. That helps me a lot. Then fix it and republish your book. That's the great thing about ebooks and electronic publishing is it's never, it's never finished, right? It can always be improved.

>> Ruin Willow: Absolutely.


Hank Dalworth enjoyed talking to you about writing and other interests

This has been so amazing. I just had a blast talking to you. Is there anything else that you wanted to add or talk about or, you know, any of your non writing hobbies or anything that you wanted to add and also where people can find you again, say it once more so that people can, and the links will be down in podcast show notes, people. Excellent.

>> Hank Dallworth: I just, you know, obviously I might like talking about this. So I really appreciate the, opportunity to speak to you and your audience about writing and what, how I feel about it. I'm obviously passionate about it. I'm always curious to learn how others people work and what their processes are. I promise to try to listen more than I talk, but I end up always talking more than I listen, but to. I think it's great to make those connections and meet new people. We run in the same circles, but I've never had an opportunity to talk to you. So this has been, this been wonderful for me to sit down and talk to you for an hour and a little bit more.

>> Ruin Willow: I had a blast.

>> Hank Dallworth: Absolutely. So I appreciate you inviting me for where to find me. Hankdahlworth.com or Hank Dalworth on Twitter are my two main places. If you want to see what books I have, the best place to start is read dot hankdallworth.com. That's where all my books are. Now. That's going to be changing because I'm going into multiple pins. And you can find all those pins by going to Jackal, jackl Publishing.com and my three pin names, Hank Dalworth, Mack Landry and soon, I'm sorry, Hank Tallworth, Drake Storm and soon Mac Landry are all listed there and they'll have links to where you can find their books.

>> Ruin Willow: Very, very awesome. Well, this was amazing and thank you for spending this time with me and coming on. I really, really enjoyed it.

>> Hank Dallworth: Alright, eat more barbecue too. That's the other. I love barbecue.

>> Ruin Willow: Barbecue. Yeah. You're a griller.

>> Hank Dallworth: More griller. And that shows up in my Twitter feed. So if you like grilled meat and you don't care about erotic art, you can still follow me. I'll show you some, some stuff with meat.

>> Ruin Willow: It's fun to see people's other sides, right? To see what else they're into. I think it's, that's a fun thing. You are a full person, you know, and I'm Hank.

>> Hank Dallworth: And one person says, this is so totally Hank when she reads story or something of mine. And part of Hank is that he likes to put innuendos into barbecue. So if you see my barbecue posts, you're going to find a little bit of spiciness there that's not always associated with the meat itself.

>> Ruin Willow: Perfect. I love it. Well, you have an amazing day. Thank you so much.

>> Hank Dallworth: Thank you. Thanks so much. It's been a lot of fun. Take care.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, yes, you too. Bye bye.

>> Ruin Willow: Bye. Okay. Thank you for listening to that and I hope you enjoyed our discussion and the excerpt.

>> Ruin Willow: Don't forget to check out his book.

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